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And the most painful torments were caused by Egwene moratcorlm Send a noteboard - 20/12/2010 09:31:44 AM
As Nynaeve anticipates, "Egwene would be among the most harsh. To show that she had been right in raising Nynaeve." That is, Nynaeve knows that Egwene would try to cause her pain, and knows why: "to show that she had been right"; that is, to advance her own political career. Whether Nynaeve is right about this (and Egwene did admit that at least the two tests Nynaeve was most revolted by, Emond's Field and Lan, were of her personal devising), I see no reason to believe that she changed her assessment of the situation.

And since, in politics, belief is more important than actuality, that's the key issue. Egwene forced Nynaeve to present herself for torture, both knowing full well why – to stabilize Egwene's personal position – and made no credible apologies for it. That's goes beyond Egwene's usual narcissistic comportment and well into tyranny.
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Egwene, a poor leader? redhand - 16/12/2010 05:59:15 PM 2224 Views
Egwene isn't supposed to be a leader. She's a dictator and a politician. lilltempest - 16/12/2010 08:21:13 PM 1392 Views
Well! No love lost there echooff - 17/12/2010 01:52:59 PM 879 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? RabidWombat - 16/12/2010 09:35:44 PM 1165 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? Hot Pie - 16/12/2010 10:53:20 PM 1072 Views
If the Shadow had removed Elaida so Egwene was Amyrlin whilst Rand was still Dark ... ajfurst - 16/12/2010 11:56:08 PM 1026 Views
Same thing if Elaida was in charge when meeting w/ Dark Rand. *NM* Lord Haart - 17/12/2010 02:10:20 AM 533 Views
Except Rand wouldn't go to the WT with Elaida in charge, without having to fight ajfurst - 17/12/2010 02:50:18 AM 1140 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? fairfax - 17/12/2010 03:07:40 AM 1166 Views
Exactly how loyal do you think Nynaeve and Elayne are? moratcorlm - 17/12/2010 04:52:34 AM 945 Views
Re: Exactly how loyal do you think Nynaeve and Elayne are? fairfax - 17/12/2010 05:44:30 AM 1054 Views
That was the case a few books back Lord Haart - 17/12/2010 07:44:32 AM 1053 Views
Re: That was the case a few books back fairfax - 17/12/2010 10:14:36 AM 1057 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? Macharius - 17/12/2010 02:30:48 PM 1113 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? fairfax - 17/12/2010 08:25:39 PM 887 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? Lord Haart - 18/12/2010 05:06:21 AM 1046 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? fairfax - 19/12/2010 08:41:31 PM 957 Views
Torturing Nynaeve for exclusively her own political ends. *NM* moratcorlm - 20/12/2010 12:14:55 AM 564 Views
Re: Torturing Nynaeve for exclusively her own political ends. fairfax - 20/12/2010 01:24:12 AM 1006 Views
And the most painful torments were caused by Egwene moratcorlm - 20/12/2010 09:31:44 AM 1122 Views
That's not quite true. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 20/12/2010 06:47:33 PM 933 Views
That's not quite accurate. moratcorlm - 21/12/2010 01:22:26 AM 1170 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? Lord Haart - 20/12/2010 12:57:42 AM 886 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? fairfax - 20/12/2010 02:02:05 AM 1038 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? Lord Haart - 22/12/2010 07:08:37 AM 950 Views
She has the same power base as any Amyrlin - the Aes Sedai, the artisans, Guards & citizens of TV RugbyPlayingAshaman - 17/12/2010 05:51:20 PM 1039 Views
Ta'veren vs. Mary Sue lilltempest - 17/12/2010 07:33:28 PM 1425 Views
I see them as being the same thing. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 17/12/2010 08:11:30 PM 1049 Views
I don't think the case can be made for Rand having it easy A Deathwatch Guard - 17/12/2010 11:04:58 PM 966 Views
I would say that in the grand scheme of things, Rand's had good to balance out the bad. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 20/12/2010 06:27:35 PM 957 Views
Funniest statement I've ever seen on here. Lord Haart - 18/12/2010 05:22:28 AM 1062 Views
Agree with your comments. Rebekah - 20/12/2010 03:12:32 PM 1261 Views
But you are just undervaluing Egwene's struggles in comparison to the other characters. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 20/12/2010 06:17:17 PM 1359 Views
Re: But you are just undervaluing Egwene's struggles in comparison to the other characters. Lord Haart - 22/12/2010 05:28:01 PM 1135 Views
You need to post more about Egwene Zeratul - 17/12/2010 08:16:19 PM 1013 Views
Nah. Just a hyopcrite. *NM* Chas - 17/12/2010 09:28:28 PM 527 Views
Yes, but for completely different reasons... fionwe1987 - 18/12/2010 12:35:23 AM 1085 Views
Yes, communication is key. Lord Haart - 18/12/2010 05:32:01 AM 946 Views
You think Egwene has more power than Tuon? Lohikaarme - 18/12/2010 12:27:01 PM 908 Views
Re: You think Egwene has more power than Tuon? Lord Haart - 18/12/2010 02:41:25 PM 832 Views
Definitely... fionwe1987 - 18/12/2010 03:24:12 PM 949 Views
Where does the 200000 number come from? *NM* moratcorlm - 18/12/2010 03:36:22 PM 480 Views
That's not right... Hot Pie - 19/12/2010 12:56:25 AM 915 Views
Re: That's not right... fairfax - 19/12/2010 11:38:54 PM 1038 Views
What's said above. Plus Lohikaarme - 19/12/2010 11:00:42 AM 887 Views
More explanations... fionwe1987 - 20/12/2010 02:51:25 AM 912 Views
Re: More explanations... moratcorlm - 20/12/2010 09:40:46 AM 967 Views
Aiel, Cairhien and Andor are NOT under Egwenes power. Lohikaarme - 20/12/2010 02:46:44 PM 974 Views
Re: More explanations... Zeratul - 20/12/2010 03:58:58 PM 1096 Views
An Amyrlin doesn't really have a power base. BlackAdder - 18/12/2010 05:43:12 AM 1017 Views
I think comparing Egwene to McCain is asking for trouble on several fronts. Joel - 20/12/2010 12:33:04 AM 918 Views
She has a pretty powerful weapon... fionwe1987 - 20/12/2010 02:41:32 AM 936 Views
RJ is more powerful. Joel - 20/12/2010 03:25:49 AM 1060 Views
I'd advise a re-read. Of ToM, and maybe the whole series... fionwe1987 - 20/12/2010 03:58:03 AM 977 Views
Re: I'd advise a re-read. Of ToM, and maybe the whole series... Lohikaarme - 21/12/2010 09:08:20 PM 980 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... moratcorlm - 20/12/2010 09:46:22 AM 1012 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... fionwe1987 - 20/12/2010 09:55:03 AM 883 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... moratcorlm - 20/12/2010 10:27:59 AM 974 Views
One example of this... Zeratul - 20/12/2010 11:15:03 AM 1008 Views
Re: One example of this... moratcorlm - 20/12/2010 11:22:10 AM 874 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... Zeratul - 20/12/2010 11:08:35 AM 953 Views
That's not quite true. Chas - 20/12/2010 10:35:45 PM 969 Views
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