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Re: By that definition, is there any such thing as freedom? Fanatic-Templar Send a noteboard - 09/12/2010 08:23:03 AM
Well yes, to everything except your last clause. You are absolutely correct that what defines a slave is the status of being property, and the "freedom" they possess is the status of not being property. But in the face of brutality, poverty, squalor, lack of legal standing, and corruption, I find the attention people pay to this least tangible of issues rather bemusing.


Presumably if you were in a situation where 'this least tangible of issues' were imposed upon you, you might find it less bemusing. I do not doubt that if given the choice between being poor (which even today pretty much brings about the rest of your list) and being a slave, most people would choose the former. Peasants could own things, and therefore could theoretically move out of poverty. And legal standing is one of the things I specifically mentioned peasants had and that slaves did not.

And to your question: for peasants and equivalent urban laborers, very little.


That was not the question.
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* *NM* moratcorlm - 08/12/2010 06:03:39 AM 456 Views
No. rebelaessedai - 08/12/2010 09:08:40 PM 915 Views
Fuck the Aiel and the White Tower. Go Team Seanchan! Variant - 08/12/2010 09:20:44 AM 1196 Views
Eh? rebelaessedai - 08/12/2010 09:11:17 PM 899 Views
Peasants aren't slaves? Are you fucking kidding me? Variant - 08/12/2010 11:32:18 PM 871 Views
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And Randlanders aren't forcing their beliefs on others? Variant - 09/12/2010 02:22:11 AM 821 Views
That's plain stupid... fionwe1987 - 09/12/2010 06:41:49 AM 843 Views
Re: That's plain stupid... moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 07:45:34 AM 836 Views
You call it "Invasion." They call it "The Return" Variant - 09/12/2010 08:21:00 AM 852 Views
I do. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 08:24:00 AM 476 Views
Well, I don't *NM* Variant - 09/12/2010 08:41:32 AM 437 Views
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If Britian has the resources or the desire to do so, then of course. Variant - 10/12/2010 07:10:15 AM 811 Views
Re: You call it "Invasion." They call it "The Return" Sidious - 09/12/2010 03:49:10 PM 760 Views
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Personally, I like Suffa better. *NM* Variant - 10/12/2010 01:52:28 AM 456 Views
Peasants aren't slaves. Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 12:19:11 AM 839 Views
"But they were free men." moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 06:20:10 AM 693 Views
By that definition, is there any such thing as freedom? Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 07:32:42 AM 915 Views
Re: By that definition, is there any such thing as freedom? moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 07:41:23 AM 877 Views
Re: By that definition, is there any such thing as freedom? Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 08:23:03 AM 859 Views
Re: By that definition, is there any such thing as freedom? moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 09:45:14 AM 847 Views
Re: By that definition, is there any such thing as freedom? Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 06:39:16 PM 832 Views
Is there anything you'd like to correct about what you just said? moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 07:43:56 PM 858 Views
Ok. Fanatic-Templar - 10/12/2010 04:57:12 AM 966 Views
~shrugs~ I prefer using "Peasant" rather than "Serf" Variant - 09/12/2010 08:06:19 AM 804 Views
They're really different things. Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 08:26:26 AM 811 Views
Not really. Variant - 09/12/2010 08:40:32 AM 864 Views
Sure, if you insist on being wrong, it's not like I can stop you. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 06:41:18 PM 416 Views
They're the same thing, you're just being anal about it. *NM* Variant - 10/12/2010 01:42:28 AM 428 Views
If that is what you wish to believe. Fanatic-Templar - 10/12/2010 05:00:46 AM 795 Views
So.... you're saying the Peasant is the equivalent of a Marine Biologist in your example? Variant - 10/12/2010 07:03:32 AM 834 Views
gai'shain aren't really comparable to damane BlackAdder - 08/12/2010 10:02:54 PM 971 Views
The Shaido made precedent, it's done. *NM* Variant - 08/12/2010 11:39:09 PM 397 Views
I disagree. BlackAdder - 09/12/2010 07:22:36 AM 830 Views
Re: I disagree. moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 07:53:26 AM 738 Views
Bullshit Variant - 09/12/2010 08:00:10 AM 803 Views
Reply to both BlackAdder - 09/12/2010 08:23:08 AM 1022 Views
Re: Variant - 09/12/2010 08:36:32 AM 807 Views
Re: Re: BlackAdder - 10/12/2010 02:07:04 AM 1116 Views
I apologize for the "bullshit" comment. Variant - 10/12/2010 08:16:38 AM 1441 Views
Re: Reply to both moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 10:03:26 AM 712 Views
Their culture was raped in the face, hard. BlackAdder - 10/12/2010 02:10:46 AM 994 Views
Re: Their culture was raped in the face, hard. moratcorlm - 10/12/2010 08:44:27 AM 850 Views
What kind of reasoning is this? Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 08:29:15 AM 669 Views
Eh? *NM* Variant - 09/12/2010 08:43:01 AM 353 Views
Er, just because something was done, doesn't mean it will become the norm. beetnemesis - 09/12/2010 04:48:20 PM 748 Views
Re: Er, just because something was done, doesn't mean it will become the norm. moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 05:53:24 PM 748 Views
At least the Aiel v. Seanchan question is answered. everynametaken - 09/12/2010 02:46:02 AM 1509 Views
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