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This test, even by its usual abysmal standards, was idiotic. It bordered on being evil. fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 09/12/2010 03:46:31 AM
Anyone who "passed" this test to satisfy Rubinde, Lelaine and Barasine may as well openly admit to being a Darkfriend. The damage, in my eyes, would be about the same.

Honestly, any person who will forsake saving sick children just so she could earn the title of Aes Sedai does not deserve to be called "Servant of All". Nyneave was perfectly right when she said she didn't care to be Aes Sedai if it meant leaving children to die. Any organization that demands that of its members may as well be part of the Shadow.

Thankfully, that is not what is demanded even by the super-retarded Aes Sedai. If you read carefully, you will see that Saerin was furious about the test before Nynaeve said anything. Before Nynaeve made her speech, Egwene not only said that Nynaeve handled the channeling component admirably, she also didn't disagree with Nynaeve's logic (only asking her to not ruffle any more feathers today). The only concern Saerin, Seiaine, Yukiri and probably Romanda had was the use of Balefire. And Nynaeve addressed that to all their satisfaction.

But, more critically, this test was necessary for Egwene. Surrounded by people like Nynaeve, Elayne, Siuan, Leanne, Silviana and even Saerin, Seaine and Yukiri, all women who have more or less correct priorities, she had completely lost sight of the fact that the problems the Aes Sedai faced are not only about weak leadership and bad organization. They are also morally bankrupt, as an institution. They've sat too long thinking their mere existence has stopped the Shadow in the past. They rest on the laurels of their betters from the past, and have completely failed the world when they were needed the most. Egwene needed to see why that was. Nynaeve hit the nail on the head when she talked about how the Tower's perspective was alienated from the world's. Egwene needs to change that too, not only how effective the Aes Sedai are as an organization.
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Nynaeve's stupidity and the test for Aes Sedai - 07/12/2010 08:27:05 PM 4291 Views
Just like all women. - 07/12/2010 09:15:12 PM 1175 Views
Way to totally misunderstand the chapter - 07/12/2010 09:39:08 PM 1651 Views
I second this - 07/12/2010 10:10:24 PM 1347 Views
your bold is stuck. *NM* - 07/12/2010 10:21:22 PM 575 Views
He BOLDLY seconded it... *NM* - 08/12/2010 03:04:33 PM 551 Views
which is quite excellent. I was just leting him know *NM* - 08/12/2010 03:28:24 PM 457 Views
I think that statement says it all. - 07/12/2010 10:19:50 PM 1379 Views
Thanks. That's exactly what I think. - 08/12/2010 08:29:28 AM 1246 Views
+1, well said *NM* - 08/12/2010 11:19:29 AM 513 Views
Agrees *NM* - 09/12/2010 03:27:53 PM 952 Views
Yes, the OP totally whiffed here. Nyn couldn't remember.. - 11/12/2010 01:50:11 AM 1193 Views
On the whole, the test is innappropriate IMO - 07/12/2010 09:40:08 PM 1471 Views
I agree with this entirely *NM* - 07/12/2010 10:07:52 PM 509 Views
very well said *NM* - 07/12/2010 10:23:06 PM 459 Views
It's kind of a chicken and egg thing - 07/12/2010 11:13:19 PM 1122 Views
Re: It's kind of a chicken and egg thing - 08/12/2010 12:37:20 AM 1410 Views
nice post - 08/12/2010 09:20:02 AM 1242 Views
Isn't it implied - 08/12/2010 02:16:58 PM 1009 Views
no they were students together - 08/12/2010 05:33:17 PM 959 Views
No, Lanfear was older than Lews - 08/12/2010 07:21:45 PM 1182 Views
Where on earth did you get that from? - 08/12/2010 08:41:16 PM 1110 Views
Re: Where on earth did you get that from? - 09/12/2010 10:27:20 AM 1118 Views
Re: Where on earth did you get that from? - 09/12/2010 03:56:32 PM 1192 Views
I always got the impression that they were together for quiet some time - 09/12/2010 04:34:23 PM 1142 Views
I think skill with Saidar is easy enough to judge as it's a simple matter to see the skill - 08/12/2010 05:37:27 PM 1041 Views
I think the greens should have been on Nynaeve's side as well - 08/12/2010 06:18:16 PM 1161 Views
Problem is they are Aes Sedai and thus more likley to be political rather than rational! *NM* - 08/12/2010 08:52:00 PM 810 Views
too f'n true *NM* - 09/12/2010 12:17:58 AM 519 Views
Re: nice post - 09/12/2010 01:23:50 PM 1224 Views
On the matter of strength - 09/12/2010 08:51:36 PM 1063 Views
Re: On the matter of strength - 10/12/2010 10:38:42 AM 1061 Views
Strength was "prized" in the AoL ... but lack of strength was not a negative - 12/12/2010 01:41:08 AM 1025 Views
The test is stupid and it was about time someone pointed it out - 07/12/2010 10:29:38 PM 1063 Views
Channeling under duress IS necessary for ALL Aes Sedai - 05/01/2011 12:04:53 AM 1171 Views
Well - 07/12/2010 11:03:38 PM 1107 Views
Status is not an end in itself. *NM* - 07/12/2010 11:52:37 PM 528 Views
They're not really stupid... - 08/12/2010 01:00:20 AM 1140 Views
They're constantly outsmarted by a teenage girl that has spent most of her life in a damn farm. - 08/12/2010 10:32:50 AM 1125 Views
yeah because that's so realistic - 08/12/2010 12:17:29 PM 1073 Views
Egwene had everything handed to her on a silver platter. - 08/12/2010 11:50:17 PM 1048 Views
Bah... - 09/12/2010 10:56:24 AM 1160 Views
Nope, the Sitters were always stupid - 09/12/2010 12:37:05 PM 1090 Views
cause being rural automatically makes you dumb?..... *NM* - 09/12/2010 05:34:11 PM 594 Views
It makes you uneducated - 09/12/2010 05:46:49 PM 1014 Views
You are not only wrong in your call, - 08/12/2010 04:39:44 AM 1338 Views
Re: You are not only wrong in your call, - 08/12/2010 09:13:37 AM 1354 Views
if that is the purpose of the test - 08/12/2010 01:34:45 PM 1063 Views
minor disagreement - 08/12/2010 05:27:51 PM 1138 Views
Yes, but you can be not-panicked and not calm of body - 08/12/2010 06:38:56 PM 963 Views
not really the same thing as what the AS are getting at though - 08/12/2010 09:02:05 PM 1613 Views
that's retarded, imo - 09/12/2010 12:21:27 AM 1089 Views
About Elaida... - 09/12/2010 12:29:21 PM 1058 Views
...no wonder the Aes Sedai are floundering - 09/12/2010 01:43:42 PM 865 Views
Oh it's totally stupid! - 09/12/2010 04:37:14 PM 1109 Views
No I know why she took the job. I just don't understand why she got it - 09/12/2010 04:52:34 PM 1051 Views
I think Elaida just smarmed up at the right time, Morgase was very young then - 09/12/2010 05:52:29 PM 1101 Views
hmm. curse smarming, then *NM* - 09/12/2010 07:47:26 PM 459 Views
As I recall... - 10/12/2010 05:18:25 AM 1077 Views
Oh. Well, I'm sorry then. - 08/12/2010 06:48:50 PM 1112 Views
I think it has already been established that the purpose of the test is to ensure that - 08/12/2010 09:59:18 PM 856 Views
Yeah, but how does that work? - 08/12/2010 10:24:35 PM 1016 Views
Somewhere in the sub-conscious they know what they're doing is important to them. - 09/12/2010 12:20:47 AM 1127 Views
Even so, it wouldn't work. - 09/12/2010 03:32:55 AM 1040 Views
Another headless chicken example. - 09/12/2010 12:30:02 AM 1023 Views
the headless chicken is just such a lovely metaphor for panic *NM* - 09/12/2010 04:48:11 AM 460 Views
Re: Oh. Well, I'm sorry then. - 09/12/2010 12:07:15 PM 1113 Views
Re: Oh. Well, I'm sorry then. - 10/12/2010 05:32:27 AM 1183 Views
The main difference - 10/12/2010 05:50:43 AM 1043 Views
I'm not sure I agree. - 08/12/2010 12:17:12 PM 1111 Views
You seem to have no grasp of the difference between "politic" and "right" - 09/12/2010 02:59:50 AM 1167 Views
I hate it when I love you just a little *NM* - 09/12/2010 04:46:57 AM 492 Views
Re: You seem to have no grasp of the difference between "politic" and "right" - 09/12/2010 09:26:21 AM 1075 Views
That's not the dilema - 09/12/2010 05:23:19 PM 1264 Views
That's not what it's really about - 10/12/2010 05:44:12 AM 1020 Views
The paralells are not obvious to me... - 15/12/2010 11:42:51 AM 1104 Views
More like - 15/12/2010 01:26:40 PM 1017 Views
This test, even by its usual abysmal standards, was idiotic. It bordered on being evil. - 09/12/2010 03:46:31 AM 1022 Views
Re: This test, even by its usual abysmal standards, was idiotic. It bordered on being evil. - 09/12/2010 11:26:40 AM 1144 Views
Agreed... - 09/12/2010 01:54:09 PM 1056 Views
One of those few times where I completely agree with fionwe1987. Give over Sidious. You're wrong. - 10/12/2010 03:53:25 PM 1123 Views
no, she did not disagree. slight difference - 10/12/2010 05:53:54 PM 993 Views

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