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gai'shain aren't really comparable to damane BlackAdder Send a noteboard - 08/12/2010 10:02:54 PM
Readers seem to miss the point of Avi's vision. It's not so much about the Seanchan then it is about the Aiel. The Aiel have to find another purpose and reason for collective existence post-TG.

Quite frankly, their society simply has no place with all the new advancements that is going to happen in the next Age. If it's not the Seanchan that wipes them out, then it's going to be the Cairhienians, or Tearians, or whoever.

Aviendha's storyline got me really upset. The thing I've been worried about from the beginning was that the Seanchan would take over. I wanted them to be destroyed... at least if they weren't going to free the damane.


I'm curious, are the monarchies in Randland going to free the peasants? Are the Aiel going to free the Gai'shain? A bit of a double standard isn't it? Being upset about one type slavery and not the other.

Aside from the Shaido's liberalized version of ji'e'toh, you can't force just anyone to become gai'shain. The Aiel live by ji'e'toh like the US lives by the Constitution. The consequences for having toh are pretty well-defined and no-one is subjected to servitude indefinitely. In fact, one only becomes gai'shain after requesting permission to become one from the person to whom they have toh. This is why anyone who is not Aiel and has no understanding of ji'e'toh can never be made gai'shain.
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I'm nervous. rebelaessedai - 08/12/2010 12:55:27 AM 2146 Views
my feelings exactly Jessie - 08/12/2010 01:21:20 AM 1120 Views
Some sad news Itachi - 08/12/2010 01:42:06 AM 1328 Views
The prophesies... Kieran - 08/12/2010 01:43:32 AM 1154 Views
well regardless, we probably won't hear about it LadyLorraine - 08/12/2010 01:51:05 AM 972 Views
Well.... DomA - 08/12/2010 02:04:59 AM 1358 Views
Re: Well.... Sandwich - 08/12/2010 04:34:45 AM 1138 Views
Aviendha's vision is utterly impossible. Fanatic-Templar - 08/12/2010 03:34:05 AM 1539 Views
Hm. Well, what constitutes "saving?" beetnemesis - 09/12/2010 03:39:12 PM 939 Views
No. Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 06:32:59 PM 940 Views
It's just a story. Tom - 08/12/2010 05:34:17 AM 967 Views
* *NM* moratcorlm - 08/12/2010 06:03:39 AM 494 Views
No. rebelaessedai - 08/12/2010 09:08:40 PM 988 Views
Fuck the Aiel and the White Tower. Go Team Seanchan! Variant - 08/12/2010 09:20:44 AM 1283 Views
Eh? rebelaessedai - 08/12/2010 09:11:17 PM 957 Views
Peasants aren't slaves? Are you fucking kidding me? Variant - 08/12/2010 11:32:18 PM 963 Views
yes, but the Seanchan aren't keeping their culture to themselves LadyLorraine - 09/12/2010 12:17:36 AM 940 Views
And Randlanders aren't forcing their beliefs on others? Variant - 09/12/2010 02:22:11 AM 910 Views
That's plain stupid... fionwe1987 - 09/12/2010 06:41:49 AM 922 Views
Re: That's plain stupid... moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 07:45:34 AM 920 Views
You call it "Invasion." They call it "The Return" Variant - 09/12/2010 08:21:00 AM 941 Views
I do. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 08:24:00 AM 511 Views
Well, I don't *NM* Variant - 09/12/2010 08:41:32 AM 473 Views
Crap alert! fionwe1987 - 09/12/2010 01:26:37 PM 888 Views
Re: Crap alert! Variant - 10/12/2010 01:51:42 AM 1036 Views
Re: Crap alert! LadyLorraine - 10/12/2010 02:25:25 AM 1031 Views
If Britian has the resources or the desire to do so, then of course. Variant - 10/12/2010 07:10:15 AM 896 Views
Re: You call it "Invasion." They call it "The Return" Sidious - 09/12/2010 03:49:10 PM 827 Views
Yes, this. rebelaessedai - 09/12/2010 07:17:52 PM 973 Views
I'd wish it on myself moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 07:40:34 PM 916 Views
I wouldn't necessarily object to wearing a Domination band... Variant - 10/12/2010 08:37:48 AM 1218 Views
rebelaessedai - 10/12/2010 07:28:09 PM 901 Views
Personally, I like Suffa better. *NM* Variant - 10/12/2010 01:52:28 AM 494 Views
Peasants aren't slaves. Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 12:19:11 AM 926 Views
"But they were free men." moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 06:20:10 AM 784 Views
By that definition, is there any such thing as freedom? Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 07:32:42 AM 1005 Views
Re: By that definition, is there any such thing as freedom? moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 07:41:23 AM 955 Views
Re: By that definition, is there any such thing as freedom? Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 08:23:03 AM 947 Views
Re: By that definition, is there any such thing as freedom? moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 09:45:14 AM 930 Views
Re: By that definition, is there any such thing as freedom? Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 06:39:16 PM 923 Views
Is there anything you'd like to correct about what you just said? moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 07:43:56 PM 953 Views
Ok. Fanatic-Templar - 10/12/2010 04:57:12 AM 1056 Views
~shrugs~ I prefer using "Peasant" rather than "Serf" Variant - 09/12/2010 08:06:19 AM 896 Views
They're really different things. Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 08:26:26 AM 904 Views
Not really. Variant - 09/12/2010 08:40:32 AM 952 Views
Sure, if you insist on being wrong, it's not like I can stop you. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 06:41:18 PM 451 Views
They're the same thing, you're just being anal about it. *NM* Variant - 10/12/2010 01:42:28 AM 465 Views
If that is what you wish to believe. Fanatic-Templar - 10/12/2010 05:00:46 AM 860 Views
So.... you're saying the Peasant is the equivalent of a Marine Biologist in your example? Variant - 10/12/2010 07:03:32 AM 915 Views
gai'shain aren't really comparable to damane BlackAdder - 08/12/2010 10:02:54 PM 1066 Views
The Shaido made precedent, it's done. *NM* Variant - 08/12/2010 11:39:09 PM 430 Views
I disagree. BlackAdder - 09/12/2010 07:22:36 AM 910 Views
Re: I disagree. moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 07:53:26 AM 813 Views
Bullshit Variant - 09/12/2010 08:00:10 AM 898 Views
Reply to both BlackAdder - 09/12/2010 08:23:08 AM 1110 Views
Re: Variant - 09/12/2010 08:36:32 AM 896 Views
Re: Re: BlackAdder - 10/12/2010 02:07:04 AM 1198 Views
I apologize for the "bullshit" comment. Variant - 10/12/2010 08:16:38 AM 1530 Views
Re: Reply to both moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 10:03:26 AM 795 Views
Their culture was raped in the face, hard. BlackAdder - 10/12/2010 02:10:46 AM 1078 Views
Re: Their culture was raped in the face, hard. moratcorlm - 10/12/2010 08:44:27 AM 936 Views
What kind of reasoning is this? Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 08:29:15 AM 748 Views
Eh? *NM* Variant - 09/12/2010 08:43:01 AM 377 Views
Er, just because something was done, doesn't mean it will become the norm. beetnemesis - 09/12/2010 04:48:20 PM 838 Views
Re: Er, just because something was done, doesn't mean it will become the norm. moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 05:53:24 PM 836 Views
At least the Aiel v. Seanchan question is answered. everynametaken - 09/12/2010 02:46:02 AM 1578 Views
I actually think her vision will prevent Rand from Bowing to Tuon darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 04:53:25 PM 908 Views
I hope that this is what happens. rebelaessedai - 09/12/2010 07:22:59 PM 970 Views
I think it's a case of what might, not must, be. Joel - 11/12/2010 03:41:36 AM 919 Views
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