Re: Nynaeve should not have been made to swear the Oaths
Cannoli Send a noteboard - 07/12/2010 10:44:01 PM
I hate to disagree but going by your reasoning Cannoli its the test not the oaths that Nynaeve should not have had to take. The test was the usual way that an Accepted proved that she ws ready to step up to the plate and become an Aes Sedai with all that entailed.
It's either one. Nynaeve wanted to prove herself with the test, but the emphasis was always on the Oaths. She should not have been required to take either. Egwene changed the rules on that and there was not too much dispute over it as the Accepted she elevated were certainly worthy of the title of Aes Sedia. Once she was given the title of Aes Sedia it was wrong to make her make her take the test again. That is a bit like telling an employee that they have to do an interview to be rehired for their old job. Nynaeve could well have told Egwene that she was Aes Sedai by Egwene's very own decree and if that decree did not have legal effect were any of her decrees any better.
Exactly.I don't think Egwene ever said that she was changing the rules so that an Aes Sedai did not have to be bound by the oaths.
Well she knows about the Law of Unintended Consequences, and there is the concept of precedent. Given the kind of foolish things she did on her first day in office, and the possible ripples, it is probably for the best that the Hall tried to run things. She toyed with the idea and then changed her mind for what ever reason. Maybe it was Siuan, many be it was Moggy it does not really matter why she did not alter the law.
It was undestood by everyone that the newly raised sisters would have to take the oaths once they regained the oath rod. I believe that there was even a proposal in the rebel hall to try to Travel to the Tower and get the oath rod so that they could complete the proper raising of sisters. This suggests to me that at no stage among the Rebel AS was it ever imagined that any sisters raised by decree would be exempt from the requirements of taking the oaths.
What you assume is irrelevant. A fact Aes Sedai take advantage of to a high degree with their oath against speaking untruth.
It was undestood by everyone that the newly raised sisters would have to take the oaths once they regained the oath rod. I believe that there was even a proposal in the rebel hall to try to Travel to the Tower and get the oath rod so that they could complete the proper raising of sisters. This suggests to me that at no stage among the Rebel AS was it ever imagined that any sisters raised by decree would be exempt from the requirements of taking the oaths.
Cannoli
“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Inde muagdhe Aes Sedai misain ye!
Deus Vult!
*MySmiley*
“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Inde muagdhe Aes Sedai misain ye!
Deus Vult!
*MySmiley*
Nynaeve should not have been made to swear the Oaths
07/12/2010 03:12:00 PM
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Re: Nynaeve should not have been made to swear the Oaths
07/12/2010 03:22:49 PM
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Re: Nynaeve should not have been made to swear the Oaths
07/12/2010 10:44:01 PM
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*shrugs* ... the oaths are lame and so full of holes the only value they bring is
07/12/2010 03:26:21 PM
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I wonder what would have happened if she refused and left the tower entirely.
07/12/2010 03:30:58 PM
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I doubt they would have stopped her ... but there was no real reason for her to refuse the
07/12/2010 03:34:20 PM
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no there wasn't a real reason for her to refuse. It'd still be interesting if she did *NM*
07/12/2010 03:37:45 PM
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would have made for an interesting spin on the plot
07/12/2010 05:37:31 PM
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How is she not a lead?
07/12/2010 06:25:45 PM
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She has never really had her own unique plot line
07/12/2010 06:34:40 PM
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I'm going to have to disagree with you on that
07/12/2010 07:46:08 PM
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Nothing to really argue here except perspective ... to each their own *NM*
07/12/2010 10:26:04 PM
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That would have been good - I think she was probably the only woman with such an opportunity
07/12/2010 10:59:50 PM
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Personally, I think it would have been a brillaint twist if Nyneave didn't become Aes Sedai *NM*
08/12/2010 12:02:05 AM
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Re: *shrugs* ... the oaths are lame and so full of holes the only value they bring is
07/12/2010 10:49:12 PM
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she shouldn't have, although I think they should trash the oaths in general
07/12/2010 03:29:21 PM
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Especially since Egwene herself didn't really think it necessary for herself to take the tests
07/12/2010 03:43:18 PM
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well it looks like such a coalition is part of the plan
07/12/2010 03:47:03 PM
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I meant one that would destroy the White Tower
07/12/2010 03:53:35 PM
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I agree with you. Hopefully Post LB there will be a new structure to the AS organization
07/12/2010 05:34:01 PM
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She was always going to have to swear the Oaths
07/12/2010 04:42:59 PM
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Brace yourselves, everybody...
08/12/2010 02:56:43 PM
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The only problem with that scenario was that Nynaeve had stuff to do, and could not as Accepted
09/12/2010 01:09:45 AM
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And what? To miss all the awesomeness she had before/during/after the test?
07/12/2010 06:27:23 PM
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I agree about the test, kind of. The Oaths was going too far.
07/12/2010 07:02:43 PM
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Re: I agree about the test, kind of. The Oaths was going too far.
16/12/2010 10:40:39 AM
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It's supposed to be a required part of being Aes Sedai.
08/12/2010 08:52:34 AM
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On the contrary, being Aes Sedai means she had to swear the Oaths.
14/12/2010 04:53:28 AM
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Re: On the contrary, being Aes Sedai means she had to swear the Oaths.
14/12/2010 11:53:43 AM
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Passing your scars on
14/12/2010 07:07:43 PM
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They believe Oaths necessary, thus an Aes Sedai refusing sets herself apart from and above the rest.
16/12/2010 02:26:45 PM
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So?
15/12/2010 11:40:32 AM
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From the standpoint of actually changing Tower rules and traditions I agree with you.
16/12/2010 02:13:44 PM
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