Seriously framed comments usually prompt responses in kind.
Joel Send a noteboard - 06/12/2010 10:12:08 PM
Of course, if it's clear you're being clumsily sarcastic the response may be more deftly sarcastic....
yeah.
It would be just stupid if they weren't Aiel but... something else.
Of course, that just raises other questions, more interesting ones, IMHO (first and foremost being WTF happened to these Aiel... ).
For starters they had dark eyes. My point here is that they could be any number of things! Some kind of Shadowspawn, men from the Isle of Madmen, Aiel who have somehow been corrupted etc...
We have a one-sentence description that seemed to make us want to think they were Aiel, but the dark eyed oddity makes me question what we think we saw.
For starters and enders one of them had dark eyes, which doesn't necessarily mean he's anything more uncommon than a rare but inevitable dark eyed Aiel. Removing his veil and then killing is far more significant, because we've been repeatedly and reliably told no Aiel kill unveiled. They COULD be anything, since we've not been told what they are; Shadowspawn, Madmen, renegade Confederate soldiers sucked through a wormhole and randomly deposited in Randland. Of course, there's no REASON to believe they're anything but what they appear, apart from removing the veils and one statement by a teenager largely unfamiliar with Aiel at the time.
I find that one sentences implications far less significant than those of the other, since 1) the former is from a narrator so unreliable he also says no Aiel have pale skin, as common among them as blue and green eyes, and 2) the latter is corroborated by many other sentences throughout the series. Only Rands one (demonstrably false) statement soon after meeting the Aiel argues none have dark eyes. It's common knowledge that short hafted spears, veils frequently donned and removed as combat dictates and characteristically low, long strides are distinctively Aiel.
*shrugs* If you want to believe they're the Mechwarriors of Pern and just LOOK like Aiel, no skin off my nose. I think the smart money is still on them being Aiel warped by the Shadow or something else (the Car'a'carn brings change, and some have interpreted that in decidely disturbing ways... ), but time will tell. If I'm going to play a long shot though I'll stick with Be'laim and Darkfriend Sorilea; not only would those provide far more stunning exploitations of what people THINK they know, there are so few people betting on either that the payoff's a lot higher. If I'm to confront the strong possibility of a crazy theory leaving me with egg on my face, it might as well be my own crazy theory.
I don't understand why it's so important to people that these guys aren't Aiel.
yeah.
It would be just stupid if they weren't Aiel but... something else.
Of course, that just raises other questions, more interesting ones, IMHO (first and foremost being WTF happened to these Aiel... ).
For starters they had dark eyes. My point here is that they could be any number of things! Some kind of Shadowspawn, men from the Isle of Madmen, Aiel who have somehow been corrupted etc...
We have a one-sentence description that seemed to make us want to think they were Aiel, but the dark eyed oddity makes me question what we think we saw.
For starters and enders one of them had dark eyes, which doesn't necessarily mean he's anything more uncommon than a rare but inevitable dark eyed Aiel. Removing his veil and then killing is far more significant, because we've been repeatedly and reliably told no Aiel kill unveiled. They COULD be anything, since we've not been told what they are; Shadowspawn, Madmen, renegade Confederate soldiers sucked through a wormhole and randomly deposited in Randland. Of course, there's no REASON to believe they're anything but what they appear, apart from removing the veils and one statement by a teenager largely unfamiliar with Aiel at the time.
I find that one sentences implications far less significant than those of the other, since 1) the former is from a narrator so unreliable he also says no Aiel have pale skin, as common among them as blue and green eyes, and 2) the latter is corroborated by many other sentences throughout the series. Only Rands one (demonstrably false) statement soon after meeting the Aiel argues none have dark eyes. It's common knowledge that short hafted spears, veils frequently donned and removed as combat dictates and characteristically low, long strides are distinctively Aiel.
*shrugs* If you want to believe they're the Mechwarriors of Pern and just LOOK like Aiel, no skin off my nose. I think the smart money is still on them being Aiel warped by the Shadow or something else (the Car'a'carn brings change, and some have interpreted that in decidely disturbing ways... ), but time will tell. If I'm going to play a long shot though I'll stick with Be'laim and Darkfriend Sorilea; not only would those provide far more stunning exploitations of what people THINK they know, there are so few people betting on either that the payoff's a lot higher. If I'm to confront the strong possibility of a crazy theory leaving me with egg on my face, it might as well be my own crazy theory.
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Slightly better than chocolate.
Love still can't be coerced.
Please Don't Eat the Newbies!
LoL. Be well, RAFOlk.
This message last edited by Joel on 06/12/2010 at 10:16:24 PM
The Turned Ashaman and Aiel - not 13x13
30/11/2010 10:20:07 PM
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Tarna's the only one we have a handle on
01/12/2010 01:39:28 AM
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The Aiel at the end are Aiel because they have veils (which they didn't replace before killing).
01/12/2010 02:01:17 PM
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Liah didn't veil in Aridhol when she killed some Trollocs.
01/12/2010 03:41:56 PM
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True, at that point she was essentially a feral animal.
02/12/2010 01:18:14 AM
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Re: True, at that point she was essentially a feral animal.
02/12/2010 11:08:16 AM
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There's actually a pretty good chance they aren't channelers, I think.
02/12/2010 02:45:41 PM
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Whoever she had been, she was surely no Aiel, not with that pale skin and /those dark eyes./
02/12/2010 12:34:46 AM
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"An Aes Sedai, perhaps. "
02/12/2010 01:59:32 AM
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The point is it doesn't look like an Aiel
02/12/2010 04:22:14 AM
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Perhaps the black eyes are due to something akin to the saa? *NM*
02/12/2010 11:12:03 AM
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Makes sense if they're Dreadlords, though, in a way, that would be disappointing.
06/12/2010 02:39:54 AM
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FIFTY quatloos on the oldcomers!
02/12/2010 02:37:19 PM
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They did "ethnically cleanse"
03/12/2010 07:50:24 AM
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There's no evidence to that effect; on what do you base that statement?
06/12/2010 02:14:09 AM
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I suppose that means the guys who stabbed Demira in Caemlyn were Aiel too
05/12/2010 04:56:59 PM
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If these guys were trying to make it look like a failed AIel killing, they suck at it.
05/12/2010 06:10:32 PM
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Re: If these guys were trying to make it look like a failed AIel killing, they suck at it.
05/12/2010 11:26:52 PM
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Glad we're on the same page now.
06/12/2010 02:24:38 AM
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I'm not holding my breath that they are Aiel
06/12/2010 08:42:11 PM
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Seriously framed comments usually prompt responses in kind.
06/12/2010 10:12:08 PM
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Just pointing out that it's been a sure sign of shenanigans when RJ pointed to something as obvious
07/12/2010 03:52:46 AM
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I thought this was what it meant. Posted about it in another thread somewhere.
01/12/2010 03:12:19 PM
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