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Re: the oath is very literal and does not forbid indirectly causing death malekithe Send a noteboard - 05/12/2010 08:43:48 AM
The three oaths are, "To speak no word that is not true, to make no weapon for one man to kill another, and never to use the One Power as a weapon, except against Shadowspawn, to save her own life or her Warder's, or the life of another sister."

The oaths are quite literal; a gateway is not a weapon, therefore she can form one just fine. The oath does not forbid indirectly causing death with the power. Even tying a person up with the power to then kill them with steel weapons has not been forbidden by the oath.

Not to mention we've already seen how little integrity most Aes Sedai have when it comes to finding ways to weasel out of their oaths. The first one is the easiest to get around, but the second and third are nearly as weak.


Elaida wouldnt want to get around this Oath, she doesnt want to have the Tower destroyed and collared. And as far as the weave having to DIRECTLY kill, this is untrue. Witness the Aes Sedai following Perrin who refused to even slightly help him against the Whitecloaks because of any possibility that their help could somehow result, even indirectly with their deaths.
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Elaida, oh no you didn't! malekithe - 04/12/2010 06:38:22 AM 1947 Views
The weave will not directly result in death Helene - 04/12/2010 06:54:20 AM 862 Views
Re: The weave will not directly result in death malekithe - 04/12/2010 07:08:50 AM 777 Views
Wrong for two reasons Voscaia Sedai - 04/12/2010 09:10:03 AM 935 Views
Only two? Usually he's wrong for eight reasons. *NM* Deadsy - 04/12/2010 09:47:37 AM 419 Views
Go jump in a lake malekithe - 05/12/2010 08:32:18 AM 664 Views
I wanted to be polite and mentioned just the major ones *NM* Voscaia Sedai - 05/12/2010 10:44:25 AM 382 Views
Thank you, Voscaia Sedai *NM* Evil_Monkey - 04/12/2010 08:51:58 PM 331 Views
Re: Wrong for two reasons malekithe - 05/12/2010 08:39:02 AM 684 Views
you're forgetting she was collared. LadyLorraine - 05/12/2010 09:01:27 AM 572 Views
Re: you're forgetting she was collared. malekithe - 05/12/2010 09:08:30 AM 659 Views
uhm, no that's not all you're saying. LadyLorraine - 05/12/2010 09:14:47 AM 662 Views
Yeah I am malekithe - 05/12/2010 09:17:48 AM 591 Views
no. dude i gave you a direct quote from your own statement. that is not what you said LadyLorraine - 05/12/2010 09:20:14 AM 728 Views
Go dude yourself brother. malekithe - 05/12/2010 09:27:33 AM 586 Views
wow i just...wow. LadyLorraine - 05/12/2010 09:33:41 AM 673 Views
Re: wow i just...wow. malekithe - 05/12/2010 09:45:47 AM 665 Views
yes well you genuinely seem to be having a problem comprehending your own statements. LadyLorraine - 05/12/2010 09:51:18 AM 545 Views
Well you genuinely seem to be retarded. malekithe - 05/12/2010 09:59:19 AM 592 Views
I judge this based off your own reactions to other's statements LadyLorraine - 05/12/2010 10:05:58 AM 693 Views
I judge you based on your own statements towards me malekithe - 05/12/2010 10:16:18 AM 624 Views
if all you did was disagree with me, we would not be having this discussion. LadyLorraine - 05/12/2010 10:25:36 AM 534 Views
This is why I replied the way I did *NM* Deadsy - 05/12/2010 10:51:54 AM 296 Views
go read the boooks more closely darius_sedai - 05/12/2010 02:34:11 PM 962 Views
Plain wrong. The weave doesn't kill in itself. Ashaman_Luc - 04/12/2010 02:34:00 PM 762 Views
Wrong malekithe - 05/12/2010 08:40:40 AM 590 Views
This redqueen - 04/12/2010 12:35:04 PM 610 Views
Seconded "This"^ *NM* LadyLorraine - 04/12/2010 07:09:17 PM 281 Views
Thirded "This"^ *NM* Voscaia Sedai - 05/12/2010 10:47:56 AM 337 Views
Re: Fourthed "This"^ *NM* alanna aes sedai - 05/12/2010 08:08:15 PM 292 Views
yep, he was just trolling I guess *NM* Lo'oris - 05/12/2010 01:58:32 PM 290 Views
the oath is very literal and does not forbid indirectly causing death Ava - 04/12/2010 02:55:13 PM 601 Views
Re: the oath is very literal and does not forbid indirectly causing death malekithe - 05/12/2010 08:43:48 AM 683 Views
just because they didn't want to doesn't mean they weren't able. LadyLorraine - 05/12/2010 09:07:08 AM 631 Views
Re: just because they didn't want to doesn't mean they weren't able. malekithe - 05/12/2010 09:11:28 AM 639 Views
well that would explain how santa is able to make his rounds in one night! *NM* LadyLorraine - 05/12/2010 09:13:42 AM 296 Views
well that would explain how santa is able to make his rounds in one night! *NM* LadyLorraine - 05/12/2010 09:13:43 AM 245 Views
Yup, I guess that was what Elaida was thinking *NM* malekithe - 05/12/2010 09:15:21 AM 298 Views
Re: the oath is very literal and does not forbid indirectly causing death HyogaRott - 06/12/2010 03:44:33 PM 586 Views
It's actually come up in the books themselves darius_sedai - 04/12/2010 03:00:03 PM 735 Views
Re: Elaida, oh no you didn't! Zeratul - 04/12/2010 03:30:57 PM 640 Views
Elaida could teach them balefire and not break the Oaths. *NM* Gher - 04/12/2010 07:24:55 PM 279 Views
This is ridiculous. You can teach any weave, including Balefire. You just can't always use it. *NM* Marshall - 05/12/2010 06:37:16 AM 253 Views
You can teach a weave so long as YOU believe that the weave won't be a weapon. Elaida knows better *NM* malekithe - 05/12/2010 09:13:57 AM 295 Views
This is false, we've seen battle weaves taught since the start of the series. Lord Haart - 05/12/2010 01:49:13 PM 558 Views
Right? and every AS seems to know how to make a fireball and call lightning darius_sedai - 05/12/2010 02:44:45 PM 549 Views
that's where you are wrong darius_sedai - 05/12/2010 02:43:21 PM 560 Views
Re: Elaida, oh no you didn't! benxtaron - 05/12/2010 08:32:50 AM 768 Views
There's another way she could have avoided it redqueen - 05/12/2010 11:37:09 AM 586 Views
Re: There's another way she could have avoided it Lord Haart - 05/12/2010 01:51:06 PM 941 Views
Re: There's another way she could have avoided it Watcher - 06/12/2010 01:43:45 PM 576 Views
I disagree redqueen - 06/12/2010 02:29:46 PM 613 Views
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