The oath against using the OP as a weapon should have prevented Elaida or any captive Aes Sedai from showing the Seanchan Travelling.
Elaida KNEW what they would do with Travelling, that they would use it to KILL and there is NO WAY they could have possibly made her believe they were going to use it for benign purposes. You can give a hundred excuses for it, but an Aes Sedai who is still bound by the Three Oaths can NOT channel ANY weave that she thinks could be used to kill someone UNLESS in the last defense of her life. Elaida's life was not in danger. Maybe torture as a damane, yes, but they werent about to kill her so she should not have been able to circumvent the Oath.
Teaching dangerous weaves to other Aes Sedai is NOT the same, as the teacher can truthfully believe that the Novice or Accepted she is teaching will not use it to kill unless she also is threatened in her life. The same rule doesnt apply to the Seanchan. Non BA Aes Sedai should not be able to teach the Seanchan dangerous weaves.
We know for a FACT that Aes Sedai captured already have proven that they COULD NOT form weaves to kill. ie they could not hurl fireballs or earth tremors or whatever, and the Seanchan even commented that they were useless for battle. The same principle should hold for Elaida, her most of all. of the captured Aes Sedai.
I feel like this was written so we could see Elaida again, and to get the Seanchan to use Travelling of course, but there should have been some other way it was done. Maybe in front of Elaida refusing to teach it, an Accepted who saw it done is forced to show it. It just shouldnt have been an Aes Sedai to do it.
Elaida KNEW what they would do with Travelling, that they would use it to KILL and there is NO WAY they could have possibly made her believe they were going to use it for benign purposes. You can give a hundred excuses for it, but an Aes Sedai who is still bound by the Three Oaths can NOT channel ANY weave that she thinks could be used to kill someone UNLESS in the last defense of her life. Elaida's life was not in danger. Maybe torture as a damane, yes, but they werent about to kill her so she should not have been able to circumvent the Oath.
Teaching dangerous weaves to other Aes Sedai is NOT the same, as the teacher can truthfully believe that the Novice or Accepted she is teaching will not use it to kill unless she also is threatened in her life. The same rule doesnt apply to the Seanchan. Non BA Aes Sedai should not be able to teach the Seanchan dangerous weaves.
We know for a FACT that Aes Sedai captured already have proven that they COULD NOT form weaves to kill. ie they could not hurl fireballs or earth tremors or whatever, and the Seanchan even commented that they were useless for battle. The same principle should hold for Elaida, her most of all. of the captured Aes Sedai.
I feel like this was written so we could see Elaida again, and to get the Seanchan to use Travelling of course, but there should have been some other way it was done. Maybe in front of Elaida refusing to teach it, an Accepted who saw it done is forced to show it. It just shouldnt have been an Aes Sedai to do it.
This message last edited by malekithe on 04/12/2010 at 06:51:57 AM
Elaida, oh no you didn't!
04/12/2010 06:38:22 AM
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The weave will not directly result in death
04/12/2010 06:54:20 AM
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Re: The weave will not directly result in death
04/12/2010 07:08:50 AM
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Wrong for two reasons
04/12/2010 09:10:03 AM
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Re: Wrong for two reasons
05/12/2010 08:39:02 AM
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you're forgetting she was collared.
05/12/2010 09:01:27 AM
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Re: you're forgetting she was collared.
05/12/2010 09:08:30 AM
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uhm, no that's not all you're saying.
05/12/2010 09:14:47 AM
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Yeah I am
05/12/2010 09:17:48 AM
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no. dude i gave you a direct quote from your own statement. that is not what you said
05/12/2010 09:20:14 AM
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Go dude yourself brother.
05/12/2010 09:27:33 AM
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wow i just...wow.
05/12/2010 09:33:41 AM
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Re: wow i just...wow.
05/12/2010 09:45:47 AM
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yes well you genuinely seem to be having a problem comprehending your own statements.
05/12/2010 09:51:18 AM
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Well you genuinely seem to be retarded.
05/12/2010 09:59:19 AM
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I judge this based off your own reactions to other's statements
05/12/2010 10:05:58 AM
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I judge you based on your own statements towards me
05/12/2010 10:16:18 AM
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if all you did was disagree with me, we would not be having this discussion.
05/12/2010 10:25:36 AM
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Seconded "This"^ *NM*
04/12/2010 07:09:17 PM
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the oath is very literal and does not forbid indirectly causing death
04/12/2010 02:55:13 PM
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Re: the oath is very literal and does not forbid indirectly causing death
05/12/2010 08:43:48 AM
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just because they didn't want to doesn't mean they weren't able.
05/12/2010 09:07:08 AM
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Re: just because they didn't want to doesn't mean they weren't able.
05/12/2010 09:11:28 AM
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well that would explain how santa is able to make his rounds in one night! *NM*
05/12/2010 09:13:42 AM
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well that would explain how santa is able to make his rounds in one night! *NM*
05/12/2010 09:13:43 AM
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Re: the oath is very literal and does not forbid indirectly causing death
06/12/2010 03:44:33 PM
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This is ridiculous. You can teach any weave, including Balefire. You just can't always use it. *NM*
05/12/2010 06:37:16 AM
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You can teach a weave so long as YOU believe that the weave won't be a weapon. Elaida knows better *NM*
05/12/2010 09:13:57 AM
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This is false, we've seen battle weaves taught since the start of the series.
05/12/2010 01:49:13 PM
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Right? and every AS seems to know how to make a fireball and call lightning
05/12/2010 02:44:45 PM
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There's another way she could have avoided it
05/12/2010 11:37:09 AM
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Re: There's another way she could have avoided it
05/12/2010 01:51:06 PM
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