That. Is. Not. An. Accomplishment. Your perverse twisting of details for her sake is totally absurd.
Cannoli Send a noteboard - 02/12/2010 08:54:12 PM
Egwene is the leader of the most powerful organization in the world, and she achieved this at an age that was previously unheard of i.e. 20. It's unfortunate that 'higher than any king or queen' doesn't meet your standards.
It's fortunate that I don't blame her for such an egregious usurpation. And she did not "acheive" that. It was given to her for absolutely no reason other than her coincidental association with an important person. Her personal qualities had precisely zero impact on the decision to give her the office and her age is merely a coincidence. She no more deserves credit for being made Amyrlin at that age than Elayne does for gaining her throne at the same age (It's 18 by the way, in case you were so busy masturbating over the descriptions of new weaves you forget those details). That simply happens to be how old she was when a vacancy was created. If Egwene had been totally inept and done absolutely nothing of value at any time in the series since her novice training, she would still have been Amyrlin, because it fit the bill thanks to attributes she was born with. What you praise Egwene for is no more to her credit than her beauty.Nynaeve didn't just develop Healing. She was initially taught the basic weave which she improved on, and yet you'd begrudge Egwene learning something from Moghedien, while at the same time not blink when Elayne started her Talent by copying the great works of others..... ???
If Nynaeve cannot have credit because she didn't invent Healing, than how can you give Egwene credit when she obviously did not found the White Tower? Elayne did not "copy" the great work of others, she reverse engineered lost technology from the end product. If Egwene had reverse-engineered Travelling from an open gateway, that might have been a little more significant. Simply being the first one to inquire of a captive Forsaken how to do something is hardly on the order of succeeding where the best the Tower could produce had failed for three thousand years. The only reason Egwene was in that position to think of Travelling was her excerable lust for power and raging envy of the man to whom she owes her station in life. Nynaeve or Elayne could have learned it just as easily if they had ever any serious intention of going any where from the time they captured Moghedian until after Egwene came to town. They had important business in Salidar and did not have time to waste envying Rand's accomplishment. As for great acts, Egwene destroyed one of the Forsaken. That's enought to put her in the history books.
That's bullshit. What makes doing that great, and since when is being in a history book an inherently good thing. It makes Egwene a trivia answer - it is not an achievement. Your citation of this is particularly egregious when you yourself acknowledged that her triumph was due to a mental error. The fact that she happened to confront Mesaana in a limited arena where Egwene's own innate abilities gave her an advantage, and she was too stupid to know how flawed her rationale was does not redound to her credit. Moiraine shooting them in the back while they concentrated on Rand is more impressive than Egwene taking on Mesaana with a ton of allies, some of whom included the greatest living T'A'R experts. The Wise Ones themselves hypothesized their own ability in T'A'R to be superior to the Forsaken, and Egwene lucked into training from these experts. Nynaeve, with none of that training, and nothing but Egwene's scorn and condescension for her T'A'R talents did far better than Egwene. Egwene faced a woman with no known natural ability in T'A'R, with a natural ability of her own. She had expert allies and enough followers to provide distractions and cannon fodder. Nynaeve, all by herself, took on the greatest known expert in T'A'R and captured her (a much more difficult feat than killing) and obtained a great deal of use from her, despite the hindsight scorning of her non-execution by an inept ghostwriter who can't remember characters' names half the time. Nynaeve, lacking any but self-training and having no natural aptitude in T'A'R, captured the most dangerous Forsaken in T'A'R on her own. Egwene, WITH a natural ability and formal training by the best experts in the world, AND their assistance, not to mention, numerous cannon fodder, manages to defeat a lesser user of T'A'R with no known natural affinity for the place. And you claim that's a superior accomplishment? What gain came from Egwene's defeat of Mesaana? Nynaeve achieved a whole host of discoveries, helped in a crucial manner in Rand's fight with Rahvin, and enabled Egwene's "discovery" of Traveling, not to mention a bunch of lesser discoveries which helped raise Egwene's profile with the Salidar sisters. How many potential channelers were lost for the upcoming crises in Egwene's glorious victory? Nynaeve didn't get anyone killed. But all that matters to you is the only-as-long-as-the-Dark-One-wants death of Mesaana. You are so blinded by a single character's office that you can't even assess her comparatively pyrrhic victory objectively!
Cannoli
“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Inde muagdhe Aes Sedai misain ye!
Deus Vult!
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“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Inde muagdhe Aes Sedai misain ye!
Deus Vult!
*MySmiley*
Egwene... hmm... no.
20/11/2010 07:02:24 AM
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Re: Egwene... hmm... no.
20/11/2010 08:17:52 AM
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Re: Egwene... hmm... no.
20/11/2010 10:29:35 AM
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Agreed
20/11/2010 10:58:33 AM
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The important thing is it is T'A'R. Her victory was not implausible at all.
22/11/2010 02:11:08 PM
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Yup. It might not have been the best climax, but it was definitely plausible.
26/11/2010 08:27:00 AM
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It's BS
02/12/2010 03:43:55 AM
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I disagree with Egwene being a Mary Sue
02/12/2010 11:42:52 AM
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Factually incorrect en masse
02/12/2010 03:38:13 PM
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That. Is. Not. An. Accomplishment. Your perverse twisting of details for her sake is totally absurd.
02/12/2010 08:54:12 PM
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I think you are misinterpreting
20/11/2010 04:20:49 PM
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That's a possibility.
22/11/2010 02:02:20 PM
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Re: That's a possibility.
04/12/2010 06:48:19 AM
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The Amyrlin Seat is a modern twist on the Hall of Servants, but I don't think you can say
04/12/2010 01:47:03 PM
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It doesn't really matter if it is erroneous, so long as she believes it is true. *NM*
21/11/2010 04:17:35 AM
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Mesaana might have spent too much time reading the Tower's press releases.
22/11/2010 02:00:50 PM
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