He's EveryCairhienin; prob'ly RJ didn't call him that 'cos it hurts the eye and mouth too much.
Joel Send a noteboard - 01/12/2010 02:50:30 PM
We all assumed he was until, if I remember correctly, Jordan said flat out that he isn't. Now he's just an irritating and unnecessary secondary character.
I think RJ went out of his way to say he's not Gaidal (apart from Birgittes comment that Gaidal is out there now, too young, and Olvers fascination with her, making the wrong conclusion as inevitable as Taimandred) because he's like the squire T.H. White heavily implies to be Mallory at the end of The Once and Future King. It's the same reason Rand makes time between his epiphany and Tarmon Gaidon to have a conversation with a freakin' apple farmer: Most people aren't heroes, but epic global struggles affect them as much as everyone else--they just usually have less influence on the outcome. Olver lost everything but his Snakes and Foxes game between the two waves of Aiel, but there's probably no honored place as a Hero of the Horn waiting for him. He'll do his part like a good soldier, avenge his family as best he can, then live his entire life after watching them brutally slaughtered before other boys were learning to shave. Then he'll die and be mourned by those loved ones he subsequently found and the Wheel will keep on a-turnin'....
We need characters like that in great stories, I think, as more than just a brief aside or a microplotline scattered over two or three widely separated chapters yet resolved in one volume (e.g. the cart driver who worked for Ronde Macura et al. who makes a few reflections then decides to disappear to Lugard; that's the last we see of an Everyman so memorable his name escapes me). Most folks want to identify with epic heroes, but few live suitably epic lives. Characters like Olver right in the thick of events with no ta'veren powers to cover their butts are a lot more relatable to the average reader than the prophecied Blademaster reincarnation of the most powerful channeler in history. It's only when Rand is tortured by the awareness of his human limitations that we can really empathize with him, but I think that kind of identification with a character in the midst of things much larger than himself is Olvers whole purpose. He's not the Hornsounder, the Dragon Reborn, a Queen with magical powers or anything like that: He's just a kid during wartime doing the best he can, but that ought to be enough.
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This message last edited by Joel on 02/12/2010 at 12:56:01 AM
So...what was this "heartbreaking scene" with Olver in ToM?
01/12/2010 04:12:34 AM
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His POV almost angered me
01/12/2010 04:48:14 AM
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olver is upset you feel that way. olver just wants to be able to kill the shaido that took his dad
01/12/2010 07:33:43 AM
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Just then Shaidar Haran came and cut off Olvers head.
01/12/2010 11:53:59 AM
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There's really absolutely no point to his character if he isn't Gaidal Cain.
01/12/2010 02:16:26 PM
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He's EveryCairhienin; prob'ly RJ didn't call him that 'cos it hurts the eye and mouth too much.
01/12/2010 02:50:30 PM
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That reply made me wish we had a vomiting smiley. Melodramatic much? *NM*
02/12/2010 12:49:03 AM
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can do double duty, but they call it "Epic Fantasy" for a reason.
02/12/2010 01:04:42 AM
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That theory never even made sense.
01/12/2010 07:45:49 PM
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What are you talking about?
02/12/2010 12:50:00 AM
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He's too old
02/12/2010 01:47:03 AM
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No he isn't.
02/12/2010 04:57:46 AM
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Yes, yes he is.
02/12/2010 06:27:25 AM
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I can deal with the "spoiled" part (more or less) but it sure doesn't make him sympathetic. *NM*
01/12/2010 02:15:04 PM
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I believe someone posted before, and I do forget who, but I shall paraphrase.
01/12/2010 05:44:58 AM
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Hehe
01/12/2010 01:57:16 PM
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I really don't remember that
01/12/2010 02:17:52 PM
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Re: I really don't remember that
01/12/2010 02:19:58 PM
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Hah, I remember that. He was all "Everyone killed themselves! It's SAD!"
01/12/2010 03:08:24 PM
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And here it registered so little with me I don't even remember it happening.
02/12/2010 12:54:40 AM
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The "GASP Moment" that produced so much speculation leading up to KoD
01/12/2010 03:13:56 PM
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I think it was supposed to be heartbreaking that a child was spending his days
01/12/2010 05:42:40 PM
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no...no I don't forget. I have a good emotional memory and it wasn't THAT long ago...
01/12/2010 08:16:17 PM
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I generally liked ToM, but the Olver PoV did make me cringe a bit. *NM*
02/12/2010 02:12:54 PM
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