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I think that's his mind deceiving itself LadyLorraine Send a noteboard - 29/11/2010 07:19:05 PM
In order to justify Byar's extreme beliefs of Dragon=evil, Perrin=Evil-Incarnate, those CAN NOT be the Heroes. If they are the heroes, then the beliefs that Byar has clung to (however misguided, they are not evil by nature) will unravel.

He's already not incredibly stable; Galad could easily have been the catalyst for his mind to just lose it.

Byar is an extreme individual who is very tightly wound into his beliefs and inherently unstable. I don't think any compulsion was necessary, and I don't think Graendal needed to do a single thing. In fact, I doubt she had a thing to do with it. At the most, she knew of his volatility and "hoped". But I don't think she influenced his actions in the slightest.

Remember, unlike Aram and Masema, Byar has not changed his beliefs or his manner in the slightest. I think he contained himself more due to others' influences, but his behavior has not changed. I think there was just one too many straws on his mind and he SNAPPED.
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Easy life of Lightside heroes and pathetic incompetence of the Shadow - so what's new in Wot... Shannow - 28/11/2010 03:38:14 PM 2601 Views
Re: Easy life of Lightside heroes and pathetic incompetence of the Shadow - so what's new in Wot... Lo'oris - 28/11/2010 04:05:48 PM 1280 Views
Re: Easy life of Lightside heroes and pathetic incompetence of the Shadow - so what's new in Wot... moratcorlm - 29/11/2010 12:27:27 AM 1186 Views
Re: Easy life of Lightside heroes and pathetic incompetence of the Shadow - so what's new in Wot... Lo'oris - 29/11/2010 12:36:49 AM 1165 Views
Re: Easy life of Lightside heroes and pathetic incompetence of the Shadow - so what's new in Wot... moratcorlm - 29/11/2010 01:59:18 AM 1183 Views
Yes, she still lets herself be ruled by her desire to control everything Lord Haart - 29/11/2010 02:39:34 AM 1145 Views
I vote it has come to pass Comet Sedai - 29/11/2010 02:48:26 AM 1032 Views
*facepalm* - good point, not sure how I missed that. *NM* Lord Haart - 29/11/2010 03:12:00 AM 614 Views
Re: I vote it has come to pass Lo'oris - 29/11/2010 09:42:51 AM 1033 Views
Prophecy never said she would be angry at the time, Lord Haart - 29/11/2010 11:36:53 AM 1077 Views
lol true, gg *NM* Lo'oris - 29/11/2010 11:52:54 AM 584 Views
Re: Easy life of Lightside heroes and pathetic incompetence of the Shadow - so what's new in Wot... lodlom - 28/11/2010 04:43:46 PM 1213 Views
Re: Easy life of Lightside heroes and pathetic incompetence of the Shadow - so what's new in Wot... Lo'oris - 28/11/2010 04:49:23 PM 1139 Views
Aviendha's vision doesn't automatically mean the Light will win Ava - 28/11/2010 05:32:56 PM 1421 Views
She doesn't even see that. The arches just show a possibility. LadyLorraine - 29/11/2010 07:12:05 PM 969 Views
Indeed Sidious - 28/11/2010 06:16:41 PM 1094 Views
am i the only one who acknowledges that it's a jerk deal for jerks newyorkersedai - 28/11/2010 08:00:23 PM 1283 Views
i think most people feel that way Sidious - 29/11/2010 09:06:44 AM 1119 Views
I agree with you darius_sedai - 05/12/2010 05:13:38 PM 916 Views
Re: am i the only one who acknowledges that it's a jerk deal for jerks RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/11/2010 06:40:18 PM 1046 Views
And in the interest of fairness, SH should've been all up in Osangar's intimate business newyorkersedai - 29/11/2010 11:34:21 PM 1093 Views
Agreed. The series is formulaic and predictable, and even I expected a few more twists. Tom - 28/11/2010 07:47:10 PM 1165 Views
Good reading for adrenaline junkies, maybe. *NM* moratcorlm - 29/11/2010 12:32:53 AM 645 Views
I'm sure that all the men Ituralde lost would agree with you about it being a breeze -_- Lord Haart - 29/11/2010 12:32:56 AM 1041 Views
Byar was compulsed Comet Sedai - 29/11/2010 12:46:01 AM 1349 Views
I agree that he was part of Graendal's plan, but Lord Haart - 29/11/2010 02:16:45 AM 1002 Views
Re: I agree that he was part of Graendal's plan, but Lo'oris - 29/11/2010 09:44:05 AM 958 Views
Re: Byar was compulsed Vidarfe - 29/11/2010 12:54:38 PM 1312 Views
Re: Byar was compulsed Lo'oris - 29/11/2010 12:59:31 PM 1021 Views
Re: Byar was compulsed Vidarfe - 29/11/2010 01:10:18 PM 1039 Views
He disbelieves in the Heroes guttering flame - 29/11/2010 03:33:27 PM 1003 Views
I think that's his mind deceiving itself LadyLorraine - 29/11/2010 07:19:05 PM 1063 Views
I didn't say he was necessarily Compulsed guttering flame - 30/11/2010 07:40:51 AM 949 Views
Do we have his reaction to the Heroes themselves? LadyLorraine - 30/11/2010 11:55:42 AM 1070 Views
Re: Do we have his reaction to the Heroes themselves? guttering flame - 30/11/2010 12:05:44 PM 966 Views
he makes no mention of the Heroes. LadyLorraine - 30/11/2010 10:42:13 PM 1063 Views
They did get another thing right Fox and Ravens - 29/11/2010 12:40:52 AM 1053 Views
Not Mat's fault, really - Verin didn't rehash her opinion of him. Lord Haart - 29/11/2010 02:18:17 AM 1009 Views
It's the WOT Red Shirt syndrome ajfurst - 29/11/2010 04:29:12 AM 1125 Views
I don't want everyone to win and end up happily ever after though. moratcorlm - 29/11/2010 04:33:06 AM 1008 Views
The disney ending is not realistic - or at least not as believable ajfurst - 29/11/2010 04:41:04 AM 1151 Views
Re: The disney ending is not realistic - or at least not as believable Lo'oris - 29/11/2010 09:50:26 AM 1136 Views
You, good sir, are Team Aan'allein - 30/11/2010 06:53:49 PM 941 Views
I also think Lan will be saved right before the end. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/11/2010 06:50:34 PM 928 Views
Re: I also think Lan will be saved right before the end. Itachi - 30/11/2010 01:47:27 AM 1052 Views
It's a well told story with fun characters overall, but it's definitely not "War & Peace" RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/11/2010 06:33:12 PM 1176 Views
+1 *NM* Tom - 29/11/2010 07:18:13 PM 544 Views
it is. I love it anyways, though LadyLorraine - 29/11/2010 07:23:24 PM 965 Views
War and Peace was very thematic moratcorlm - 30/11/2010 05:00:30 AM 1375 Views
Doublethink for the win! *NM* guttering flame - 30/11/2010 07:35:20 AM 569 Views
Re: War and Peace was very thematic Lo'oris - 30/11/2010 09:35:50 AM 995 Views
I'm not really sure if or why any reader would need to suspend disbelief to enjoy WoT RugbyPlayingAshaman - 30/11/2010 10:31:49 PM 983 Views
I've always thought of this series (and fantasy in general) are a bit like Aesop's Fables LadyLorraine - 30/11/2010 10:44:09 PM 924 Views
Please tell me what drugs you're on Tom - 01/12/2010 04:04:39 AM 1083 Views
It's called 'reality' - I agree with LadyLorraine & Moratcorlm RugbyPlayingAshaman - 01/12/2010 07:57:35 PM 1004 Views
You are absolutely wrong. Tom - 02/12/2010 04:53:52 AM 966 Views
You are incorrect - you should read the definition you reference before posting it. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/12/2010 04:19:16 PM 1122 Views
No, I read the ENTIRE article, unlike you. You have to scroll down a bit. Tom - 02/12/2010 05:47:13 PM 895 Views
No, you need to read and comprehend. That was a THEORY. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/12/2010 07:11:01 PM 816 Views
It's really very simple. Tom - 04/12/2010 12:31:16 AM 1071 Views
mk, I think I understand more what you meant now after reading this exchange LadyLorraine - 05/12/2010 05:42:47 AM 1016 Views
I still don't agree; sorry. I don't think this theory applies to everyone. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 06/12/2010 05:30:41 PM 1116 Views
No, those are disbeliefs that you must suspend. LadyLorraine - 01/12/2010 08:18:25 PM 912 Views
You have to feel the characters are somehow believable to empathize with them. Tom - 02/12/2010 01:05:29 AM 959 Views
I don't see how WoT's writing (Before, or now) prevents that LadyLorraine - 02/12/2010 04:12:54 AM 820 Views
I'm not arguing that it necessarily does for everyone, just that YOU HAVE TO SUSPEND DISBELIEF Tom - 02/12/2010 04:48:51 AM 1014 Views
That's a load of crap... fionwe1987 - 02/12/2010 06:03:13 AM 1129 Views
Sure moratcorlm - 01/12/2010 01:30:03 AM 934 Views
Black Tower Itachi - 30/11/2010 01:50:29 AM 926 Views
Re: Black Tower RAAM - 30/11/2010 01:57:48 AM 1058 Views
No, the worst case scenario is that the entire tower becomes 13+13'd and fights for the Shadow Lord Haart - 30/11/2010 04:03:07 AM 882 Views
I agree with everything. Avendesora - 30/11/2010 01:37:11 PM 1072 Views
Hopper's death... oh god... saangrealsmoker - 01/12/2010 01:00:12 AM 1169 Views
while i miss hopper RAAM - 02/12/2010 04:19:28 AM 945 Views
Re: while i miss hopper saangrealsmoker - 02/12/2010 05:30:52 PM 1077 Views
Hopper wasn't that important, either, though. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/12/2010 02:32:10 PM 889 Views
Re: Hopper wasn't that important, either, though. Lo'oris - 03/12/2010 03:10:54 PM 920 Views
It would be awesome if it were, though. BlackAdder - 03/12/2010 04:41:42 PM 1053 Views
Re: It would be awesome if it were, though. saangrealsmoker - 04/12/2010 09:54:09 PM 1025 Views
Hopper Aes Sedai - 05/12/2010 07:07:44 AM 883 Views
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