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But, if you look at the scene, Mesaana didn't really do anything. RugbyPlayingAshaman Send a noteboard - 22/11/2010 10:18:14 PM
Mesaana used TAR to much more powerful effect than we've seen any of the FS use thus far. It goes a long way to validate the WO Dreamwalkers claims that they are as powerful there as the Shadow souled.


During the battle, she was in a secret room that she had created in the Tower's Dream Shadow giving orders. She created an illusion weave to make one of the Black Ajah look like her. Then she captured Egwene by surprise attack and brought her to the secret holding area. She really didn't do much nor was anything she did that impressive. I liked the scene personally, but let me know if you could indicate something that she did that was so powerful and beyond the scope of the other Forsaken we've seen fight in the dreamworld. It just seemed to me that she hung out, swooped in to take her prey to her secret place and then got beat at her own game.

On the other hand we can retro fit some of Moghedien and Lanfear's earlier behavior. It's quite possible that Moghedien could only spy on the other FS because she willed them unable to see her ... her natural posture is to behave as a spy and creep about so seeing her hide behind a pillar isn't too out of character (for an admitted retro fit).


That's my point - Moghedien uses her willpower to avoid detection, and this is what enables her to gather so much information. We also saw her rip Birgitte from the Dream, but in general, the way she uses T'A'R fits her nature - she wants to hide and would rather initiate a surprise attack and vanish than stay and fight. My point boils down to the fact that Moghedien doesn't want to fight at all preferring an easy victory by subterfuge so fighting her is different.

It's also telling that Moghedien refers to things in TAR as "bindings", almost as though in the AOL they approached TAR in a similar way to the OP. Makes me think the WO and their centuries of training traditions haven't outstripped the AOL Dreamwalkers in much the same way as the WF outstrip the weather workers of the AOL.


I think Moghedien used that term because your belief in them bound your will to make them act the way they did in the real world. Being "bound" by an a'dam, for example, made Moghedien immediately think she couldn't channel and rather than marshal the willpower to defeat it as Egwene did, she simply gave up.
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Agreed, still my favorite scene. - 23/11/2010 11:13:50 PM 514 Views
Nynaeve is stronger than Moghedien, so they're not dead even. - 22/11/2010 06:55:56 PM 885 Views
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I agree with Sidious - 22/11/2010 09:15:59 PM 629 Views
But, if you look at the scene, Mesaana didn't really do anything. - 22/11/2010 10:18:14 PM 689 Views
I agree with part of what you are saying - 22/11/2010 11:02:34 PM 654 Views
Moghedian never fought. She won all her "fights" in one shot. - 22/11/2010 10:57:08 PM 839 Views
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