Mesaana might have spent too much time reading the Tower's press releases.
Cannoli Send a noteboard - 22/11/2010 02:00:50 PM
ToM (Wounds) - 'This is not about me. Egwene al'Vere is a child. But the Amyrlin is not. I may be young, but the Seat in ancient... This place is what a person is. The Amyrlin is the White Tower, and the White Tower will not bend. It defies you, Mesaana, and your lies.'
This is absolute nonsense IMO. It's fair enough to say that what a person is determines their power in TAR, but the comparison is hugely flawed. The Amyrlin Seat is not more ancient or greater than the Forsaken (except for moral superiority, which TAR does not care about from the evidence we have). The Forsaken are much older than the Amyrlin Seat and are, even if falsely, legendary. Their legendary status is actually what gives them power here, and it is obvious as Egwene flees as soon as she senses Mesaana is in the room. She is afraid to face anything that is called 'Forsaken' because of the implications. Even the Wise Ones look pensive and restrained when Egwene says that she is facing one of the 'Shadowsouled'. Egwene actually defeats Mesaana by convincing her subconscious that Mesaana is not as great as she is, but the underlying theory that she puts forward is untrue. The Amyrlin Seat cannot match the Forsaken in terms of presence - indeed, the Forsaken are some of the oldest legends of the third Age, no matter how erroneously they were made.
But what is important is that Egwene believes it. On the old site, I posted a semi-joking theory as Dark Cannoli (mayheRIP) that Mesaana had become infected with the Aes Sedai mindset which distorted her priorities and perspective, which led to her ignoring the summons to the Cleansing in favor of concentrating on her schemes regarding the Tower. What if that is what happened here? Egwene had so bought into the myth of her superiority and the greatness of the Amyrlin Seat and meanwhile, Mesaana has become so caught up in the affairs of the Tower that it gives her just the merest second of doubt which is enough to cripple her in the face of Egwene's willfully stupid perspective combined with Two Rivers stubborn adherence to it.
The issue here is not so much that Egwene undersells the legends of the Forsaken, but that she overestimates the Tower and the meaning of her occupation of the office of Amyrlin Seat. Other people beat the Forsaken through badassery, Egwene does so because she's so stupid that she overestimates her own importance and cannot see how ridiculous her thesis is.
Cannoli
“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Inde muagdhe Aes Sedai misain ye!
Deus Vult!
*MySmiley*
“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Inde muagdhe Aes Sedai misain ye!
Deus Vult!
*MySmiley*
Egwene... hmm... no.
20/11/2010 07:02:24 AM
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Re: Egwene... hmm... no.
20/11/2010 08:17:52 AM
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Re: Egwene... hmm... no.
20/11/2010 10:29:35 AM
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Agreed
20/11/2010 10:58:33 AM
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The important thing is it is T'A'R. Her victory was not implausible at all.
22/11/2010 02:11:08 PM
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Yup. It might not have been the best climax, but it was definitely plausible.
26/11/2010 08:27:00 AM
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It's BS
02/12/2010 03:43:55 AM
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I disagree with Egwene being a Mary Sue
02/12/2010 11:42:52 AM
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Factually incorrect en masse
02/12/2010 03:38:13 PM
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That. Is. Not. An. Accomplishment. Your perverse twisting of details for her sake is totally absurd.
02/12/2010 08:54:12 PM
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I think you are misinterpreting
20/11/2010 04:20:49 PM
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That's a possibility.
22/11/2010 02:02:20 PM
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Re: That's a possibility.
04/12/2010 06:48:19 AM
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The Amyrlin Seat is a modern twist on the Hall of Servants, but I don't think you can say
04/12/2010 01:47:03 PM
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It doesn't really matter if it is erroneous, so long as she believes it is true. *NM*
21/11/2010 04:17:35 AM
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Mesaana might have spent too much time reading the Tower's press releases.
22/11/2010 02:00:50 PM
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