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Mesaana might have spent too much time reading the Tower's press releases. Cannoli Send a noteboard - 22/11/2010 02:00:50 PM

ToM (Wounds) - 'This is not about me. Egwene al'Vere is a child. But the Amyrlin is not. I may be young, but the Seat in ancient... This place is what a person is. The Amyrlin is the White Tower, and the White Tower will not bend. It defies you, Mesaana, and your lies.'

This is absolute nonsense IMO. It's fair enough to say that what a person is determines their power in TAR, but the comparison is hugely flawed. The Amyrlin Seat is not more ancient or greater than the Forsaken (except for moral superiority, which TAR does not care about from the evidence we have). The Forsaken are much older than the Amyrlin Seat and are, even if falsely, legendary. Their legendary status is actually what gives them power here, and it is obvious as Egwene flees as soon as she senses Mesaana is in the room. She is afraid to face anything that is called 'Forsaken' because of the implications. Even the Wise Ones look pensive and restrained when Egwene says that she is facing one of the 'Shadowsouled'. Egwene actually defeats Mesaana by convincing her subconscious that Mesaana is not as great as she is, but the underlying theory that she puts forward is untrue. The Amyrlin Seat cannot match the Forsaken in terms of presence - indeed, the Forsaken are some of the oldest legends of the third Age, no matter how erroneously they were made.


But what is important is that Egwene believes it. On the old site, I posted a semi-joking theory as Dark Cannoli (mayheRIP) that Mesaana had become infected with the Aes Sedai mindset which distorted her priorities and perspective, which led to her ignoring the summons to the Cleansing in favor of concentrating on her schemes regarding the Tower. What if that is what happened here? Egwene had so bought into the myth of her superiority and the greatness of the Amyrlin Seat and meanwhile, Mesaana has become so caught up in the affairs of the Tower that it gives her just the merest second of doubt which is enough to cripple her in the face of Egwene's willfully stupid perspective combined with Two Rivers stubborn adherence to it.

The issue here is not so much that Egwene undersells the legends of the Forsaken, but that she overestimates the Tower and the meaning of her occupation of the office of Amyrlin Seat. Other people beat the Forsaken through badassery, Egwene does so because she's so stupid that she overestimates her own importance and cannot see how ridiculous her thesis is.
Cannoli
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Egwene... hmm... no. - 20/11/2010 07:02:24 AM 2001 Views
Just to nitpick - 20/11/2010 07:37:50 AM 1264 Views
Re: Egwene... hmm... no. - 20/11/2010 08:17:52 AM 1088 Views
Re: Egwene... hmm... no. - 20/11/2010 10:29:35 AM 1145 Views
Agreed - 20/11/2010 10:58:33 AM 969 Views
Re: Agreed - it also has the worst line in the whole book - 20/11/2010 11:03:14 PM 917 Views
Re: Agreed - it also has the worst line in the whole book - 20/11/2010 11:13:54 PM 969 Views
The important thing is it is T'A'R. Her victory was not implausible at all. - 22/11/2010 02:11:08 PM 1047 Views
precisely. - 23/11/2010 03:07:09 AM 832 Views
It's BS - 02/12/2010 03:43:55 AM 1000 Views
I disagree with Egwene being a Mary Sue - 02/12/2010 11:42:52 AM 1539 Views
Factually incorrect en masse - 02/12/2010 03:38:13 PM 907 Views
Re: Factually incorrect en masse - 02/12/2010 03:58:43 PM 871 Views
That. Is. Not. An. Accomplishment. Your perverse twisting of details for her sake is totally absurd. - 02/12/2010 08:54:12 PM 919 Views
No no no - 04/12/2010 07:14:21 AM 947 Views
Well, technically, that quote doesn't deny Mesaanas stature. - 20/11/2010 12:57:31 PM 1017 Views
I think you are misinterpreting - 20/11/2010 04:20:49 PM 1010 Views
That's a possibility. - 22/11/2010 02:02:20 PM 923 Views
Re: That's a possibility. - 04/12/2010 06:48:19 AM 835 Views
I agree. - 22/11/2010 07:46:43 PM 857 Views
Re: Egwene... hmm... no. - 20/11/2010 11:19:53 PM 962 Views
Mesaana might have spent too much time reading the Tower's press releases. - 22/11/2010 02:00:50 PM 989 Views
Re: Egwene... hmm... no. - 25/11/2010 10:11:56 PM 963 Views

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