One of the reasons I feel that ToM is the worst in the series is that it demonstrated how deeply flawed Jordan's overall structure and pacing was. It compromised the entire series and gave very legitimate ground to many of its detractors.
even if it's wrong.
I'm really not sure what you find so objectionable though. It was far from perfect, but I still thought it was pretty good, easily better than anything between ACoS and TGS. Really, is the pacing any worse than KoD? I almost got whiplash reading that thing (and it was STILL better than ACoS-CoT). Are you sure your opinion of ToM doesn't suffer from the fact it follows the superb TGS?
I'm really not sure what you find so objectionable though. It was far from perfect, but I still thought it was pretty good, easily better than anything between ACoS and TGS. Really, is the pacing any worse than KoD? I almost got whiplash reading that thing (and it was STILL better than ACoS-CoT). Are you sure your opinion of ToM doesn't suffer from the fact it follows the superb TGS?
Much the same way it took three readings of ACoS before I actually started to like, even respect, the book: It's good in it's own right, but it's in a totally different class than TSR-LoC.
I'm not sure what you mean by saying ToM exposes flaws in RJs overall pacing though, since it seems almost frantic in comparison to most of the later volumes languid speed (though not nearly as bad as KoD, which went back and forth from breathless exposition to painfully slow stretches of Perrin planning and brooding, primarily the latter). If the pacing in earlier books was bad, I'd expect ToM to be a pleasant change and, regardless, if you're saying that a book Sanderson wrote almost entirely, except for RJs notes, reveals flaws in RJs pacing of the earlier books, it sounds like you're kind of going for a shotgun spread at both authors.
For what it's worth, I agree with you about RJs pacing, at least in part, but I think there were a number of extenuating circumstances, most notably terminal illness. The day I joined wotmania I was convinced that RJ intended the series to have either twelve or thirteen books, depending on which he wanted to emphasize as the magic number (and, obviously, my money was on thirteen). I also thought he'd been deliberately dragging out the story since the end of ACoS because he didn't think he had enough plot to get to thirteen books, and that he'd wasted too MUCH time doing it so that he was going to have to cram all the things he should've been writing into the last one or two books in order to keep it to thirteen. I've yet to see much reason to revise those opinions, apart from RJs statement that the series would be a dozen books come hell or high water (of course, that ship has sailed). I don't think that's as much a failure of his mind as of his body though; I know the quality of my posts went to hell in a handbasket when I got a job and got engaged, because having a real life meant I didn't have thirty hours a day to spend carefully crafting MB posts. Granted I project too much, and the stakes were much higher for Jordan, but I suspected long before I experienced it first hand that essentially the same thing happened to him but to a far greater degree.
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What advice would you give yourself before reading ToM?
20/11/2010 04:04:53 AM
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Do your own accounting...early. This way ToM will seem more interesting. *NM*
20/11/2010 06:27:47 AM
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Rein in your expectations. The book was awful. *NM*
20/11/2010 11:35:52 AM
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Oh, hush, you!
20/11/2010 01:54:56 PM
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It really was. Worse than Crossroads of Twilight, in my opinion. *NM*
20/11/2010 02:59:55 PM
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Well, everyone is entitled to their opinion...
20/11/2010 05:41:29 PM
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Re: Well, everyone is entitled to their opinion...
20/11/2010 11:11:12 PM
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'K, HOWEVER: I didn't ask Dans criticisms since he stated them on Skype; I AM curious about yours.
21/11/2010 12:43:06 PM
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No, that's a factor. Taking into account the position of a book in a series doesn't compromise it.
21/11/2010 05:25:34 PM
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No, but it does color ones perspective, naturally.
21/11/2010 07:50:59 PM
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Check out DomA's super short summary and save yourself €21 *NM*
20/11/2010 11:12:45 PM
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It was a great review (linked)
21/11/2010 12:10:41 AM
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I totally agree, and read it as soon as it came out. But I find DomA's posts
22/11/2010 11:32:12 PM
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