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Re: One question. DomA Send a noteboard - 18/11/2010 06:54:09 PM
I also get the feeling one of the "terms" Rand wishes to discuss with Egwene at the meeting will be the return to the their rightful place of the male Aes Sedai. He might ask that the full Asha'man are recognized de facto as full Aes Sedai by the Amyrlin. That would gain Rand a lot of Aes Sedai supporters all of a sudden Technicaly, the Hall could pull a fast one on Egwene too, they would be in their right to force her to put the final decision over the seals to a vote of the Hall. That vote may not go in the direction Egwene wishes, all the more if by some ta'veren twist the Hall is brought to accept it must give an equal or proportional voice to the male Aes Sedai... (in any case, I sure woudn't underestimate LTT's political cleverness... he's got ton of experience with civil governors and dealing with the Ajah and the Hall of Servants...


How would that reconcile with the prophecy of "the guardians balancing the servants"? It seems to me that, at an organizational level, men would remain separate from women (as in, remain as Asha'man and not become Aes Sedai). However, that doesn't necessarily mean that men would become Aes Sedai and form an "Asha'man Ajah". Your thoughts?


The Aes Sedai have lost their balance since the end of the WO, by losing the men. By returning to the organization, those now called Guardians would bring balance back to the Aes Sedai organization.

The wording is intentionally ambiguous. It doesn't say the G & S will balance each other. It can mean that too, but it's not clear on purpose. It is less and less likely to mean two organizations now. Why shouldn't theGuardians only balance the AS, and not the WF, WO etc.?

After what's coming at the BT - and the fact it has been built and organized by the Shadow - and everything about it is likely to become infamous and frightening, I'm not quite sure I see a point in the Asha'man even wishing to keep the name or association to the BT. It's much easier and practical to return to the Aes Sedai fold. It's also the way the two gender will learn to work well and smoothly together, and the fastest way they'll forget there's even a gender line. It's very obvious with Damer Flinn. The man thinks far more like a Yellow than like an Asha'man. Many Asha'man have more in common with the Green Ajah than with Asha'man like Flinn. Some of them also likely can't wait to use the OP for something else than fighting. Of course, Flinn's a man, so he doesn't think like a woman, but that's the whole point that the Tower has shifted out of balance for lack of any male perspective.

From LTT's perspective, the title is rightfully the men's. Why shouldn't they claim it back, and their rightful place among the Aes Sedai now that the taint is gone? Why should they be denied their right, and their history? Why should only the women claim the past glories of the AS Guild as their own? Rand's perspective was different - by LOC he would never even have considered calling himself AS, but with LTT's full memories, it's different. I think a big clue is the fact Rand has called himself male Aes Sedai in TOM, and you could sense his pride in the title when he used it with Cadsuane. He even implied he wasn't the only male AS in his mind, just the only properly raised one....


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