Looks like only Mezar and Tarna so far. But not irreversible...
The Angry Druid Send a noteboard - 09/11/2010 08:58:55 PM
Here is RJ's quote on the subject, from the Theoryland database:
Week 15 Question: When a channeler is forcibly turned to the Dark, is his/her former personality lost to eternity? Are they in a permanent state of mindless Compulsion? Furthermore, can a channeler forcibly turned to the Dark return to the Light unaided?
Robert Jordan Answers: They are not in a mindless state of Compulsion. Their former personality is twisted, the darker elements that everyone has to some degree elevated while what might be called the good elements are largely suppressed. I don't mean things like courage, which is useful even to villains, but they are unlikely to be very charitable, for example, and forget any altruistic impulses. Call it being turned into a mirror image of yourself in many ways. It is very unlikely that a channeler forcibly turned to the Shadow could find a way back to the Light unaided. For one reason, by virtue of the twisting he or she had undergone, it is very unlikely that he or she would have any desire to do so.
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Now, this seems a bit different from what we observed in Tarna and Mezar, so maybe it isn't the dreaded 13x13, though it does seem likely. Maybe the obvious manifestations of the change is why it isn't used often.
However, notice RJ says unaided. Fist off, he says it is unlikely, not impossible. Second, if aided, I think it could be possible. Especially if one had a talented healer about. Wit Nynaeve, Flinn, Samitsu, Sumeko, and Corele around, I still have hope for Tarna and Mexar.
Week 15 Question: When a channeler is forcibly turned to the Dark, is his/her former personality lost to eternity? Are they in a permanent state of mindless Compulsion? Furthermore, can a channeler forcibly turned to the Dark return to the Light unaided?
Robert Jordan Answers: They are not in a mindless state of Compulsion. Their former personality is twisted, the darker elements that everyone has to some degree elevated while what might be called the good elements are largely suppressed. I don't mean things like courage, which is useful even to villains, but they are unlikely to be very charitable, for example, and forget any altruistic impulses. Call it being turned into a mirror image of yourself in many ways. It is very unlikely that a channeler forcibly turned to the Shadow could find a way back to the Light unaided. For one reason, by virtue of the twisting he or she had undergone, it is very unlikely that he or she would have any desire to do so.
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Now, this seems a bit different from what we observed in Tarna and Mezar, so maybe it isn't the dreaded 13x13, though it does seem likely. Maybe the obvious manifestations of the change is why it isn't used often.
However, notice RJ says unaided. Fist off, he says it is unlikely, not impossible. Second, if aided, I think it could be possible. Especially if one had a talented healer about. Wit Nynaeve, Flinn, Samitsu, Sumeko, and Corele around, I still have hope for Tarna and Mexar.
Freaky stuff going on at the Black Tower
09/11/2010 09:20:05 AM
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The BT is Rand's biggest failure
09/11/2010 10:38:57 AM
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She can heal the mad ones, but the 13x13 ones...
09/11/2010 01:26:08 PM
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I think Nynaeve's ability will be used to cure more than just the madness
09/11/2010 02:22:07 PM
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Re: I think Nynaeve's ability will be used to cure more than just the madness
09/11/2010 02:49:55 PM
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I gave up on Rand dealing with it several books ago. It's Logain's problem. *NM*
09/11/2010 04:11:13 PM
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Re: I gave up on Rand dealing with it several books ago. It's Logain's problem.
09/11/2010 06:43:10 PM
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Looks like only Mezar and Tarna so far. But not irreversible...
09/11/2010 08:58:55 PM
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The way I read it, the book implied that many of the newly raised Asha'man had been 13x13'd *NM*
10/11/2010 08:22:18 AM
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Re: The way I read it, the book implied that many of the newly raised Asha'man had been 13x13'd
13/11/2010 04:58:26 PM
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LIkely Javindrah as well ... note she shows the exact same behavior as Tarna
13/11/2010 05:04:23 PM
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