You might want to start making sense... it helps in debates, you know.
First off... have you even considered that one reason Alanna is not being stilled, executed, or whatever is because of the effect that will have on Rand? Have you considered the mitigating factor that she was a little mentally unhinged from the death of her Warder (which we know for a fact causes the Aes Sedai to feel extreme grief more than people would generally feel for someone close to them dying)? None of these really make it right, but these factors do play into why the Aes Sedai are not as harsh as they would typically have been.
Kidnapping a King/Rand: You do realize that the woman who did these things had 2/3rds of the AS not supporting her, and a third of them in open Rebellion, right? Sure, these weren't the specific reasons for all of them rebelling, but they certainly were the reasons for Egwene. And all the Rebels worried that Elaida would mishandle Rand.
The only reason Elaida was able to get away with kidnapping Mattin Stephaneos is because Rand took over Illian, and Elaida could claim she was protecting the king. Had she not had even that justification, you can be sure the Aes Sedai would have had more issues with the act.
None of these, of course, match what the Whitecloaks do. For one, they may not have kidnapped a king, but they have certainly usurped the authority of one (Airlon). They also, incidentally, keep a Queen in their stronghold against her will (lets not even go into her being raped and tortured). And far from kidnapping the Dragon Reborn, they actually wanted to kill him! And no, Cannoli's moronic statement that "they thought they were right, so they are right" makes no sense, here or anywhere else.
Look at how the Whitecloaks vs. the Aes Sedai handle the Two Rivers. The two AS present help the villagers defend themselves from Trollocs. The Whitecloaks terrorize them, and do not give aid even when the situation is dire enough that women and children have to enter the fray! Show me an Aes Sedai who sits by while there are Shadowspawn attacking village folk and then we'll talk.
First off... have you even considered that one reason Alanna is not being stilled, executed, or whatever is because of the effect that will have on Rand? Have you considered the mitigating factor that she was a little mentally unhinged from the death of her Warder (which we know for a fact causes the Aes Sedai to feel extreme grief more than people would generally feel for someone close to them dying)? None of these really make it right, but these factors do play into why the Aes Sedai are not as harsh as they would typically have been.
Kidnapping a King/Rand: You do realize that the woman who did these things had 2/3rds of the AS not supporting her, and a third of them in open Rebellion, right? Sure, these weren't the specific reasons for all of them rebelling, but they certainly were the reasons for Egwene. And all the Rebels worried that Elaida would mishandle Rand.
The only reason Elaida was able to get away with kidnapping Mattin Stephaneos is because Rand took over Illian, and Elaida could claim she was protecting the king. Had she not had even that justification, you can be sure the Aes Sedai would have had more issues with the act.
None of these, of course, match what the Whitecloaks do. For one, they may not have kidnapped a king, but they have certainly usurped the authority of one (Airlon). They also, incidentally, keep a Queen in their stronghold against her will (lets not even go into her being raped and tortured). And far from kidnapping the Dragon Reborn, they actually wanted to kill him! And no, Cannoli's moronic statement that "they thought they were right, so they are right" makes no sense, here or anywhere else.
Look at how the Whitecloaks vs. the Aes Sedai handle the Two Rivers. The two AS present help the villagers defend themselves from Trollocs. The Whitecloaks terrorize them, and do not give aid even when the situation is dire enough that women and children have to enter the fray! Show me an Aes Sedai who sits by while there are Shadowspawn attacking village folk and then we'll talk.
The Children of the Light and the White Tower
20/10/2010 08:32:10 PM
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21/10/2010 01:47:19 AM
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Re: The Children of the Light and the White Tower
20/10/2010 08:58:12 PM
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The one known rapist was, by his own admission, committing a crime against their standards.
20/10/2010 09:05:55 PM
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Re: The one known rapist was, by his own admission, committing a crime against their standards.
21/10/2010 12:15:48 AM
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Re: The one known rapist was, by his own admission, committing a crime against their standards.
21/10/2010 02:59:49 PM
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Re: The one known rapist was, by his own admission, committing a crime against their standards.
21/10/2010 04:35:00 PM
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And farmers are, of course, treated the same as rebel officers and usurpers and mutineers.
23/10/2010 03:07:10 PM
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Re: The one known rapist was, by his own admission, committing a crime against their standards.
21/10/2010 07:55:06 PM
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And there is no indication of how far that went.
23/10/2010 03:12:42 PM
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"The question" as opposed to "questioning"
24/10/2010 06:21:43 PM
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And that would indicate everyone does it, if it is so commonly used, so how are the CoL worse? *NM*
25/10/2010 01:14:13 AM
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Re: The one known rapist was, by his own admission, committing a crime against their standards.
24/10/2010 06:53:19 AM
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The utter stupidity of this statement caught my eye...
24/10/2010 08:12:58 AM
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Your analyses and extension of concepts always brings that "utter stupidity" phrase to my mind.
25/10/2010 02:17:10 AM
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Huh? ... what !! ... are you mad?
21/10/2010 05:05:16 PM
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Did you forget the very first PoV Darkfriend in the series?
23/10/2010 03:27:25 PM
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Difference being the whitecloaks who were ordered to do it were not DFs. All the AS evil deeds
23/10/2010 07:55:23 PM
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So similar scenes in the Cairhienin civil war were all the work of Darkfriends?
25/10/2010 02:25:57 AM
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Please provide an example of a DF AS committing an atrocity and not being punished by the Tower
25/10/2010 03:34:46 AM
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Just one? Here's a list from the top of my head in 60 secs:..
25/10/2010 09:28:10 AM
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Re: Just one? Here's a list from the top of my head in 60 secs:..
25/10/2010 04:14:05 PM
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Not to mention it's not like any of these have been without repercussion!
25/10/2010 04:50:39 PM
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Re: Not to mention it's not like any of these have been without repercussion!
27/10/2010 01:06:53 PM
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You under some delusion that I'm defending the AS
27/10/2010 08:29:14 PM
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No. I'm pointing out you are under the delusion that AS pay for their atrocities.
28/10/2010 09:16:38 AM
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okay, so AS never Still and execute AS for doing stuff ... have you read the series?
28/10/2010 05:20:28 PM
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That doesn't make the -unpunished- atrocities disappear, you know. Your point is lame AND moot.
28/10/2010 07:07:27 PM
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Re: That doesn't make the -unpunished- atrocities disappear, you know. Your point is lame AND moot.
28/10/2010 07:09:33 PM
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To echo Darius...
23/10/2010 08:34:00 PM
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Re: To echo Darius...
25/10/2010 10:03:14 AM
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Go look up the definition of the word atrocity
25/10/2010 04:53:55 PM
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Their implicit role in the genocide of Manetheren was probable their greatest atrocity *NM*
26/10/2010 03:01:01 AM
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You mean the act that got Tetsuan deposed, Stilled and sentenced to hard labor until she gave up the
26/10/2010 04:19:45 AM
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Ya, the ultimated punishment of cleaning pots and floors
NOOOOOOOO!!!
26/10/2010 11:59:51 PM
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Maybe you should have done that yourself: "behaviour or an action that is wicked or ruthless"
27/10/2010 11:11:30 AM
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the fact that you can't differentiate between the extermination of an entire village
27/10/2010 08:30:12 PM
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READ; I *did* differentiate between them. It doesn't change the fact all are atrocious deeds
28/10/2010 09:00:56 AM
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28/10/2010 05:22:18 PM
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You asked for atrocities and you got them. Now you just don't know what to do with them.
28/10/2010 06:49:16 PM
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28/10/2010 07:07:57 PM
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dude, you gave us a list of petty crimes and compared it to mass murder
28/10/2010 06:59:33 PM
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Complete the thought...
28/10/2010 07:11:37 PM
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seems I must do so for this guy to understand ... and I'm not holding my breath on that!
28/10/2010 08:24:57 PM
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Rape, murder, starting wars and doing noting about them, kidnap / severe torture of prisoners... *NM*
28/10/2010 07:51:33 PM
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again you fail to note that the AS have systems in place to prevent these things
28/10/2010 08:23:32 PM
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Again you fail to note that the AS haven't used those "systems" of theirs
28/10/2010 09:02:15 PM
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What wars did they start?
28/10/2010 08:56:46 PM
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You should be an Aes Sedai; the way you can twist truth would scare Siuan.
28/10/2010 09:07:24 PM
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Take your own advice, please
28/10/2010 07:30:51 PM
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Come on. Just say it. Real men don't act like catty, bitchy women. *NM*
20/10/2010 11:14:49 PM
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"Rightly hold responsible for the threat of the Shadow?" Puh-leeze
21/10/2010 12:06:34 AM
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Puh-leeze right back at you:
21/10/2010 08:24:12 AM
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The Wheel was created so the DO could break in. The Creator plays his game with the DO thru people
21/10/2010 01:45:07 PM
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It was you who brought up that silly Real World kitchen example, silly.
25/10/2010 10:55:29 AM
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I could say you zinged me, but you're just bent on silliness. Bored now. *NM*
25/10/2010 10:54:41 PM
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Your personal theories do not constitute evidence, and your aberrant logic better supports MY case
21/10/2010 03:21:44 PM
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Objection, your honor! Bringing evidentiary rules into this is asinine! *NM*
21/10/2010 11:22:19 PM
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The word "evidence" is not exclusive to the practice of jurisprudence
23/10/2010 03:31:57 PM
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Rational thinking. Well, you use the word "deserved" in all caps. Nuff said. *NM*
23/10/2010 04:55:02 PM
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Emphasis means nothing one way or another as far as rationality goes, which you would know...
25/10/2010 01:13:23 AM
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You know zilch about my acquaintances. "mk" was wrong - you're not an idiot. But you are ignorable. *NM*
25/10/2010 10:57:04 PM
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Not so sure about that
21/10/2010 02:29:02 AM
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the city is closed to WC
21/10/2010 04:01:45 AM
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Re: the city is closed to WC
21/10/2010 04:55:45 AM
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But that is irrelevant. Aes Sedai can also go to Amadicia in disguise. *NM*
21/10/2010 05:35:18 AM
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But they aren't in disguise
21/10/2010 08:31:38 AM
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They don't wear their uniform, their one identifying feature. That is a disguise.
21/10/2010 09:08:25 PM
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Re: They don't wear their uniform, their one identifying feature. That is a disguise.
22/10/2010 02:10:07 PM
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CotL are welcome in Tar Valon to have a drink. Aes Sedai are hanged when found in Amadicia..
21/10/2010 08:33:03 AM
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Now hang on a minute!
21/10/2010 07:28:45 AM
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Re: Now hang on a minute!
21/10/2010 10:49:34 AM
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it would be an interesting comparison if they weren't completely different organizations
21/10/2010 04:09:31 PM
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