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fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 28/10/2010 07:07:57 PM
You might want to start making sense... it helps in debates, you know.

First off... have you even considered that one reason Alanna is not being stilled, executed, or whatever is because of the effect that will have on Rand? Have you considered the mitigating factor that she was a little mentally unhinged from the death of her Warder (which we know for a fact causes the Aes Sedai to feel extreme grief more than people would generally feel for someone close to them dying)? None of these really make it right, but these factors do play into why the Aes Sedai are not as harsh as they would typically have been.

Kidnapping a King/Rand: You do realize that the woman who did these things had 2/3rds of the AS not supporting her, and a third of them in open Rebellion, right? Sure, these weren't the specific reasons for all of them rebelling, but they certainly were the reasons for Egwene. And all the Rebels worried that Elaida would mishandle Rand.

The only reason Elaida was able to get away with kidnapping Mattin Stephaneos is because Rand took over Illian, and Elaida could claim she was protecting the king. Had she not had even that justification, you can be sure the Aes Sedai would have had more issues with the act.

None of these, of course, match what the Whitecloaks do. For one, they may not have kidnapped a king, but they have certainly usurped the authority of one (Airlon). They also, incidentally, keep a Queen in their stronghold against her will (lets not even go into her being raped and tortured). And far from kidnapping the Dragon Reborn, they actually wanted to kill him! And no, Cannoli's moronic statement that "they thought they were right, so they are right" makes no sense, here or anywhere else.

Look at how the Whitecloaks vs. the Aes Sedai handle the Two Rivers. The two AS present help the villagers defend themselves from Trollocs. The Whitecloaks terrorize them, and do not give aid even when the situation is dire enough that women and children have to enter the fray! Show me an Aes Sedai who sits by while there are Shadowspawn attacking village folk and then we'll talk.
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The Children of the Light and the White Tower - 20/10/2010 08:32:10 PM 2368 Views
Re: The Children of the Light and the White Tower - 20/10/2010 08:58:12 PM 1038 Views
The one known rapist was, by his own admission, committing a crime against their standards. - 20/10/2010 09:05:55 PM 1157 Views
Re: The one known rapist was, by his own admission, committing a crime against their standards. - 21/10/2010 12:15:48 AM 1077 Views
Huh? ... what !! ... are you mad? - 21/10/2010 05:05:16 PM 992 Views
Did you forget the very first PoV Darkfriend in the series? - 23/10/2010 03:27:25 PM 976 Views
Difference being the whitecloaks who were ordered to do it were not DFs. All the AS evil deeds - 23/10/2010 07:55:23 PM 1003 Views
To echo Darius... - 23/10/2010 08:34:00 PM 933 Views
Re: To echo Darius... - 25/10/2010 10:03:14 AM 873 Views
Go look up the definition of the word atrocity - 25/10/2010 04:53:55 PM 890 Views
Maybe you should have done that yourself: "behaviour or an action that is wicked or ruthless" - 27/10/2010 11:11:30 AM 849 Views
the fact that you can't differentiate between the extermination of an entire village - 27/10/2010 08:30:12 PM 890 Views
READ; I *did* differentiate between them. It doesn't change the fact all are atrocious deeds - 28/10/2010 09:00:56 AM 985 Views
- 28/10/2010 05:22:18 PM 843 Views
You asked for atrocities and you got them. Now you just don't know what to do with them. - 28/10/2010 06:49:16 PM 920 Views
dude, you gave us a list of petty crimes and compared it to mass murder - 28/10/2010 06:59:33 PM 879 Views
Complete the thought... - 28/10/2010 07:11:37 PM 806 Views
Rape, murder, starting wars and doing noting about them, kidnap / severe torture of prisoners... *NM* - 28/10/2010 07:51:33 PM 512 Views
What wars did they start? - 28/10/2010 08:56:46 PM 809 Views
You should be an Aes Sedai; the way you can twist truth would scare Siuan. - 28/10/2010 09:07:24 PM 850 Views
Wow... I'm sooo Insulted! - 28/10/2010 09:23:41 PM 872 Views
- 28/10/2010 07:07:57 PM 944 Views
Take your own advice, please - 28/10/2010 07:30:51 PM 858 Views
Re: Take your own advice, please - 28/10/2010 07:44:59 PM 804 Views
Their own organisation calls it rape. Simple. - 28/10/2010 08:26:49 PM 873 Views
Re: Take your own advice, please - 28/10/2010 09:18:17 PM 1011 Views
- 21/10/2010 01:47:19 AM 1039 Views
Not so sure about that - 21/10/2010 02:29:02 AM 934 Views
Re: Not so sure about that - 21/10/2010 03:57:34 AM 961 Views
the city is closed to WC - 21/10/2010 04:01:45 AM 1003 Views
Re: the city is closed to WC - 21/10/2010 04:55:45 AM 838 Views
But that is irrelevant. Aes Sedai can also go to Amadicia in disguise. *NM* - 21/10/2010 05:35:18 AM 462 Views
But they aren't in disguise - 21/10/2010 08:31:38 AM 872 Views
They don't wear their uniform, their one identifying feature. That is a disguise. - 21/10/2010 09:08:25 PM 809 Views
Re: They don't wear their uniform, their one identifying feature. That is a disguise. - 22/10/2010 02:10:07 PM 906 Views
Don't be ridiculous... - 22/10/2010 04:52:55 PM 872 Views
No different - 23/10/2010 02:26:24 PM 948 Views
Here is to hoping Egwene can get her head out of her ass. - 21/10/2010 10:30:10 AM 930 Views
Now hang on a minute! - 21/10/2010 07:28:45 AM 1091 Views
Re: Now hang on a minute! - 21/10/2010 10:49:34 AM 980 Views
Re: Now hang on a minute! - 21/10/2010 11:28:55 PM 988 Views
Re: Now hang on a minute! - 22/10/2010 01:08:14 AM 942 Views
IMO, the main difference between Egwene & Galad is... - 21/10/2010 12:36:53 PM 1014 Views
it would be an interesting comparison if they weren't completely different organizations - 21/10/2010 04:09:31 PM 1042 Views
You! - 22/10/2010 02:28:07 PM 960 Views

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