It was always a struggle finding someone to argue your side in the Lews Therin debates. Part of the problem was simply that your English isn't all that great. Not as good as Sare's, much less Gonzo's. That's not your fault. Etzel did it for a little while, and he was alright at it, though he harped on a paraphrased signing report as if it was supposed to somehow contradict volumes of canon. Gonzo understood the issue better than most, but he was only ever playing devil's advocate, which did not make for good debates.
But this time, I agree with you! This should be a happy thing, right? I have gone to all the trouble to find all of the quotes and parallels and such that support the theory, beyond the foreshadowing for Nynaeve Healing death that everyone has known about for well over a decade now. I think I have found some really good stuff that is going to convince a lot of people on the theory.
But instead of being happy that we agree for once, you are trying to pick a fight over something that I never even implied. And maybe this is again an issue of your English, but quite obviously, when Bob asked me the question in the first place, he was aware that this theory had been kicking around for a very, very long time. Furthermore, when someone says 'this is my theory', it is not generally assumed that the person is claiming to have come up with the idea in the first place. They are saying 'this is the theory that I believe/support'.
Even my Gawyn theory, which is about as original as they come, has probably been suggested dozens of times on the forums over the years. Does it really matter? There is a huge difference between saying 'I think Gawyn is going to kill Rand' and actually finding a ton of evidence to support it. Like Verin. Some people have found old posts of themselves suggesting that maybe Verin's last serious mistake was to join the Black Ajah. And while there was some back-slapping involved, for the most part no one really cares, because there's a difference between coming up with an idea and developing it into a convincing theory.
So, either you can follow me around on forums being silly and telling everyone what they already know, or for once, we can be on the same team. If you have suggestions for how to make the theory better, I will take them into consideration (I'm going to post a formal version of it on the home page after TOM - I don't think it will be revealed in TOM, and we'll get more clues hopefully - especially the Perrin aspect!), but for now, you have a nice dissertation to link whenever you want to convince someone of your theory.
But this time, I agree with you! This should be a happy thing, right? I have gone to all the trouble to find all of the quotes and parallels and such that support the theory, beyond the foreshadowing for Nynaeve Healing death that everyone has known about for well over a decade now. I think I have found some really good stuff that is going to convince a lot of people on the theory.
But instead of being happy that we agree for once, you are trying to pick a fight over something that I never even implied. And maybe this is again an issue of your English, but quite obviously, when Bob asked me the question in the first place, he was aware that this theory had been kicking around for a very, very long time. Furthermore, when someone says 'this is my theory', it is not generally assumed that the person is claiming to have come up with the idea in the first place. They are saying 'this is the theory that I believe/support'.
Even my Gawyn theory, which is about as original as they come, has probably been suggested dozens of times on the forums over the years. Does it really matter? There is a huge difference between saying 'I think Gawyn is going to kill Rand' and actually finding a ton of evidence to support it. Like Verin. Some people have found old posts of themselves suggesting that maybe Verin's last serious mistake was to join the Black Ajah. And while there was some back-slapping involved, for the most part no one really cares, because there's a difference between coming up with an idea and developing it into a convincing theory.
So, either you can follow me around on forums being silly and telling everyone what they already know, or for once, we can be on the same team. If you have suggestions for how to make the theory better, I will take them into consideration (I'm going to post a formal version of it on the home page after TOM - I don't think it will be revealed in TOM, and we'll get more clues hopefully - especially the Perrin aspect!), but for now, you have a nice dissertation to link whenever you want to convince someone of your theory.
attn: Etzel re: theories on the fulfillment of Rand's death prophecies
12/10/2010 12:35:42 AM
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Horn Double Death
12/10/2010 05:30:47 AM
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If he dies when called by the Horn...
12/10/2010 05:34:56 AM
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Re: If he dies when called by the Horn...
12/10/2010 05:53:53 AM
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Re: If he dies when called by the Horn...
12/10/2010 05:55:28 AM
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There's also the "ripped from TAR after death" theory, ala Birgitte (re how Rand lives again).
12/10/2010 04:37:26 PM
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That be my theory
12/10/2010 04:45:55 PM
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and from all other people
12/10/2010 05:33:45 PM
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And your point is? *NM*
12/10/2010 05:35:35 PM
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It's not specifically your theory. or a theory that you thought of first..... *NM*
13/10/2010 04:32:48 PM
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Nobody said I thought of it first.
13/10/2010 04:36:45 PM
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Think of it this way, Emma...
13/10/2010 06:00:11 PM
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Re: Think of it this way, Emma... *NM*
13/10/2010 06:26:09 PM
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Some more thoughts ...
12/10/2010 05:03:58 PM
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I don't think it is necessary that Rand be a public figure as Elayne's husband.
12/10/2010 05:08:10 PM
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It's not that I think it's necessary, per se ...
12/10/2010 05:44:03 PM
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On that particular point...
12/10/2010 06:05:59 PM
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That's reasonable speculation, I think ...
12/10/2010 07:58:23 PM
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I don't know that Egwene's lack of recognition necessarily means anything...
12/10/2010 08:07:11 PM
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Yep, I agree ...
12/10/2010 09:18:57 PM
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I'm not so sure the 'blood on the rocks' isn't a red herring any more.
13/10/2010 06:23:18 PM
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By the way ...
12/10/2010 10:07:49 PM
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