I almost completely agree with what our wrote, except that Mesaana actually doesn't know the right prophesy. Alviarin embellished it a lot, with some points about the Rebels being broken like a rotten melon.
Since that didn't come true at all, it is likely that Mesaana may discount the Prophesy, to her cost.
Since that didn't come true at all, it is likely that Mesaana may discount the Prophesy, to her cost.
Mesaana knows foretelling always come true, but her (low) opinion of the talent comes from her belief that they usually become understandable only when it's too late for them to be useful, and them they're all too clear. It's Lanfear who dismissed prophecies as wishful thinking.
Alviarin did not embellish at all (she knows better than to do anything like that - she is trained to report verbatim and her POV states that she does). She reported exactly what Elaida said, including her claims that Alviarin could not differentiate from the foretelling (like the rebels breaking). That's the bit that attracted Mesaana's immediate attention (it touched on her plans) and she asked Alviarin right away if it had been part of the foretelling or not. Then Alviarin (who didn't have the answer - she couldn't tell) was saved as Mesaana mused it wasn't important to know if it was part of the foretelling or not, that either outcome she could use.
So Mesaana was aware from the start that the bit about the breaking of the rebellion wasn't necessarily part of the foretelling. It's more a matter of whether she (or Alviarin) remembers or not the rest about the purge and reunification and the BT which was part of the foretelling, but both Alviarin and Mesaana seem to have an excellent memory.
I wouldn't bet too early that Mesaana or Alviarin didn't remember the foretelling and that it didn't factor into either's late TGS plans.. That could be the explanation how the BA/Mesaana understood lightning fast what was about to happen and decided to escape from the WT, that either figured out they had hours at mos, before the whole game was up. Elaida's foretelling would reveal the only way out left for the BA was flight... Elaida gone and Egwene saved there was only one Amyrlin left, and the foretelling said she'd win and make the Tower whole and stronger than ever, and the BT would be rent in flames...
Consider that this occured hours after the Tower leadership collapsed (Elaida captured, and previously the Keeper and Red Sitters vanished), the Hall no doubt in an emergency meeting, and Egwene had escaped after turning the Seanchan back, opening the door open for a precipitated reunification (if you are willing to see things as they stand for real instead of delusion yourself, Elaida-style.. Either Mesaana or Alviarin was very lucid about how things really stood at that point), and only a shortwhile after envoys were sent to the BT. With their knowledge of Elaida's foretelling,
Mesaana (or Alviarin) could puzzle out, especially if they were warned something was happening at the rebel camp that night, that their games were over and "the tower whole" was about to happen, and.... that a remnant forcibly would escape... to be cast out and scorned... Elaida's foretelling might have factored in the decision to send the rest of the BA out immediately, especially if we discover in TOM Mesaana didn't show up when a panicked Alviarin called her (Mesaana might have concerned herself that night with how she'd manage to remain hidden in the Tower), and Alviarin made the final decision herself to order the flight and warn SH. It seems many BA were caught, because even with an emergency measure of some kind to communicate (that'd be something like Alviarin Travelling to the bedroom of each SC members to order them to go wake their heart and fourth, and order them to pass the order down in person then flee), the BA system was still not up to the task of achieving this in hours, not with so many broken hearts in the chaos after the Seanchan attack. Some BA might also well have panicked and fled before passing the message.
That a rebel BA who escaped gave the alarm in the WT is not so likely (they couldn't know this wasn't also happening in the WT, for one thing), at least unless one of them had a way to reach Alviarin or Mesaana directly, which is unlikely as both are security freaks. As for non BA spies (DF), though it's extremely likely there are some among the rebels, it's hard to see how they could have learned what Egwene planned (the assault, I mean), as Egwene played this very close to the vest and acted damn fast. it's not obvious a non AS spy could reach Mesaana that fast in the wee hours... There remains the possibility Mesaana herself came to spy (visit Sheriam, for eg - and found her not) the second she learned Egwene was gone, to find out if Egwene had gone to the camp, if she knew Elaida had been captured, and what she planned next, and Mesaana realized what was going on. But would Mesaana have cared much to save Alviarin's cohorts, though? Make it a priority? In fear of SH's wrath, maybe...
It's a pity that storyline didn't run in parallel to Egwene's. It would have made it all more suspenseful/exciting in "real time". Now the real mystery left is where the BA has gone. How the BA managed to escape remains quite interesting, but we'll know the final outcome all along.
Jason's review... Looks like DomA was right (Review is now removed)
25/09/2010 05:40:18 AM
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Re: Jason's review (spoilerish thoughts from me, so BEWARE!). Looks like DomA was right
25/09/2010 06:00:46 AM
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Everyone seems to think Rand will talk to Egwene, but a male channeler also makes sense
25/09/2010 10:44:18 PM
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No Elayne hopefully, but again it looks like Egwene has everything fall in her lap
25/09/2010 08:10:54 AM
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No Elayne hopefully, but again it looks like Egwene has everything fall in her lap
25/09/2010 08:11:37 AM
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Perrin will probably gather the wolves...
25/09/2010 09:57:06 AM
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this "we like it because it's family" stuff is worrisome
25/09/2010 10:18:22 AM
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After his COT review, a less then gushing review isn't great
25/09/2010 11:42:39 AM
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But he is specifically trying to avoid being overly fanboyish BECAUSE of that CoT review. *NM*
27/09/2010 04:19:21 PM
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Damn, his COT review was infinitely more enthusiastic. What could it all mean? *NM*
25/09/2010 01:06:00 PM
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But his CoT review was also more enthusiastic than his KoD and TGS reviews *NM*
25/09/2010 01:07:15 PM
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Hmm, interesting point. Could a guilty conscience be setting in? *NM*
25/09/2010 01:26:30 PM
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I'm guessing Olver will sacrifice his Snakes and Foxes game his father made for him *NM*
25/09/2010 06:09:10 PM
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I haven't read the review but...
25/09/2010 07:22:48 PM
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That's not what I meant...
25/09/2010 08:25:42 PM
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It's odd, I didn't see any reference to Rand descending from DM in his review.
25/09/2010 08:39:33 PM
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It was the very last line...
25/09/2010 08:55:49 PM
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Re: It was the very last line...
25/09/2010 09:03:14 PM
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Re: It was the very last line...
25/09/2010 10:09:58 PM
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I blame JordanCon too.
26/09/2010 02:17:50 AM
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Regarding the WOTFAQ, Tam,
26/09/2010 10:04:40 PM
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Regarding Brandon's messing up of the timelines...
25/09/2010 11:34:06 PM
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To me it's two different things
26/09/2010 01:48:13 AM
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I remember the timeline was discussed much at TL prior to TGS release.
26/09/2010 03:04:24 AM
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Re: I remember the timeline was discussed much at TL prior to TGS release.
26/09/2010 08:31:00 PM
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KOD and TOM show where TGS could have been 'fixed'
26/09/2010 10:27:04 AM
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The review is back up...
27/09/2010 01:59:50 AM
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It wasn't quite identical... It was missing the line about Rand walking down from DM
27/09/2010 06:42:47 AM
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The line about Rand wasn't there when I read the review Saturday morning either. *NM*
27/09/2010 01:57:00 PM
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It was...
27/09/2010 04:22:24 PM
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I must have missed it then. It does fit with Tor's not releasing Chapter 1 early. *NM*
27/09/2010 05:06:36 PM
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What do you mean?
27/09/2010 11:33:15 PM
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I read somewhere that they'd release two different chapters this time. Could well be wrong though. *NM*
28/09/2010 02:15:28 AM
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Olver
27/09/2010 11:34:40 AM
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doubt he'll die. Jason's review is too much of a spoiler if he actually dies *NM*
27/09/2010 11:46:16 AM
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One problem with the idea of a Rand-Egwene meeting in Chapter 1 beyond timeline issues
27/09/2010 10:29:15 PM
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Not true...
28/09/2010 01:00:40 AM
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Good call. I assumed, and still do, that the two events are one in the same.
28/09/2010 01:10:13 AM
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Not true indeed... and....
28/09/2010 02:24:00 AM
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Mesaana and the Foretelling...
28/09/2010 03:31:24 AM
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Re: Mesaana and the Foretelling...
13/10/2010 01:32:12 AM
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