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Not Aginor Sidious Send a noteboard - 13/09/2009 08:36:37 AM
Page 50: Foremost of the thirteen who formed the high council of the Shadow's forces was Ishamael. Believed to be the most powerful of the Chosen in the use of the One Power, he was equaled by none but Lews Therin Telamon himself.


Which clearly puts Ishamael first.

Page 53: The second most powerful man, ... Aginor, came close to rivaling Lews Therin and Ishamael in strength.


Which puts Aginor right behind Ishamael and Lews Therin.

Page 61: The most powerful of the female Forsaken, possibly the most powerful of all next to Ishamael, was Lanfear.


Which puts Lanfear greater than or equal to Aginor, right behind Lews Therin and Ishamael.

Either Lanfear or Aginor. I'm leaning towards Lanfear, which is how I voted before I even consulted the book. Yay gut instinct!


Aginor is not on RJ's list of the top Forsaken. He may have been one of the strongest, but his skills were less than impressive. It's the global picture that makes the difference, not the person's raw strength. Alivia may be the strongest woman in the Light but Cyndane used skill alone to balance the strength difference, and made it an even match.
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The top 6 Forsaken - similar in the One Power Sidious - 12/09/2009 09:27:20 PM 1682 Views
Some thoughts about Semmy Lordling - 12/09/2009 09:59:50 PM 857 Views
Re: Some thoughts about Semmy Sidious - 13/09/2009 08:33:28 AM 911 Views
Of course... Digital_Eon - 13/09/2009 08:36:39 AM 717 Views
I've been thinking the same for years Dragonsworn - 12/09/2009 11:25:02 PM 820 Views
The Big White Book says... Yvves - 12/09/2009 11:46:43 PM 885 Views
Not Aginor Sidious - 13/09/2009 08:36:37 AM 884 Views
Re: Not Aginor NaClH2O - 13/09/2009 03:16:13 PM 781 Views
Re: Not Aginor Sidious - 13/09/2009 05:47:14 PM 815 Views
Fact is, the bwb is untrustworthy Shannow - 13/09/2009 05:54:28 PM 743 Views
We must either use all the quotes from the BWB or none of them Sidious - 13/09/2009 06:07:46 PM 797 Views
Or... Shannow - 13/09/2009 08:41:23 PM 722 Views
Re: Or... Sidious - 14/09/2009 04:46:52 AM 699 Views
But, RJ himself said that the BWB was written from the standpoint of a scholar RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/09/2009 04:42:59 PM 717 Views
Re: Not Aginor NaClH2O - 13/09/2009 08:17:28 PM 687 Views
It all depends on how you define "powerful" Lanfear - 14/09/2009 02:30:31 AM 826 Views
I agree 101%. *NM* Yvves - 14/09/2009 03:49:51 AM 424 Views
I think power is much more than raw strength Sidious - 14/09/2009 05:00:10 AM 701 Views
I agree for the most part, but disagree on one thing. Lanfear - 14/09/2009 07:52:10 PM 821 Views
Re: The top 6 Forsaken - similar in the One Power Bulgakov - 12/09/2009 11:48:03 PM 752 Views
the other reason NaClH2O - 13/09/2009 03:24:24 PM 679 Views
So is graendal similar to lanfear then? Shannow - 13/09/2009 05:41:42 PM 694 Views
Graendal could fight Lanfear and win Sidious - 13/09/2009 06:01:57 PM 1229 Views
Graendal herself says... Shannow - 13/09/2009 09:08:46 PM 714 Views
Re: Graendal herself says... Sidious - 14/09/2009 04:48:37 AM 729 Views
Doesn't Graendal have an Angreal now? Rurouni_Kenshin - 17/09/2009 03:29:10 AM 744 Views
Re: Graendal herself says... Lanfear - 15/09/2009 05:36:53 PM 615 Views
Lanfear was more powerful than Graendal, but Cyndane has less power beetnemesis - 13/09/2009 10:19:35 PM 691 Views
Re: So is graendal similar to lanfear then? Watcher - 13/09/2009 06:05:11 PM 827 Views
I agree with this Sidious - 13/09/2009 06:15:24 PM 847 Views
Compulsion=any other deadly weave. Doesn't really change matters beetnemesis - 13/09/2009 10:23:40 PM 695 Views
Excellent point *NM* Shannow - 13/09/2009 10:35:08 PM 434 Views
But it did give her an edge, and against two forsaken. *NM* fionwe1987 - 13/09/2009 11:12:09 PM 405 Views
Hm? When? *NM* beetnemesis - 14/09/2009 09:04:10 PM 334 Views
tPoD, when she compelled Cyndane and Moghedien. *NM* fionwe1987 - 14/09/2009 10:19:23 PM 387 Views
Not at all Sidious - 14/09/2009 04:51:48 AM 769 Views
Using Compulsion on someone doesn't seem mechanically different beetnemesis - 14/09/2009 09:03:41 PM 612 Views
I'm not so sure about that Sidious - 14/09/2009 09:36:45 PM 715 Views
Totally agree Shannow - 14/09/2009 10:26:07 PM 517 Views
I don't agree. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/09/2009 04:33:04 PM 831 Views
Re: So is graendal similar to lanfear then? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/09/2009 04:34:24 PM 672 Views
But Graendal confronted her... twice! *NM* fionwe1987 - 13/09/2009 07:48:29 PM 363 Views
Apparently only the third time counts *NM* Sidious - 13/09/2009 08:00:37 PM 391 Views
But the third time's supposed to be lucky. So that won't count either. *NM* fionwe1987 - 13/09/2009 11:26:18 PM 416 Views
Really? Shannow - 13/09/2009 08:36:33 PM 679 Views
No falsely... fionwe1987 - 13/09/2009 11:25:40 PM 890 Views
That's pretty much my opinion in a nutshell Sidious - 14/09/2009 04:56:15 AM 833 Views
And, of course, the male and female OP strength ranks might not even correlate that much RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/09/2009 04:41:58 PM 648 Views
They correlate on some critical points Sidious - 14/09/2009 06:57:43 PM 728 Views
That's not exactly what I'm referring to. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/09/2009 04:36:29 PM 597 Views
But then we are discussing the same thing Sidious - 15/09/2009 06:59:04 PM 740 Views
I think, outside of semantics, our main disagreement doesn't lie amid the higher tiers RugbyPlayingAshaman - 16/09/2009 03:53:09 PM 613 Views
Probably Sidious - 16/09/2009 06:31:27 PM 747 Views
Re: Probably RugbyPlayingAshaman - 16/09/2009 07:19:03 PM 719 Views
Re: Probably Sidious - 16/09/2009 08:59:31 PM 670 Views
Re: Probably RugbyPlayingAshaman - 18/09/2009 07:03:09 PM 1004 Views
Ahh the old debate... fionwe1987 - 17/09/2009 12:42:36 AM 688 Views
Re: Ahh the old debate... Sidious - 17/09/2009 05:26:52 AM 631 Views
I only disagree on one point, I think they are all rather equal in potential, incl. Ishamael RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/09/2009 04:28:12 PM 690 Views
I do think Ishamel is special Sidious - 14/09/2009 07:04:03 PM 785 Views
He's special the same way any individual is special. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/09/2009 11:36:42 PM 737 Views
Re: He's special the same way any individual is special. Sidious - 15/09/2009 08:36:20 AM 723 Views
Re: He's special the same way any individual is special. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/09/2009 03:48:34 PM 709 Views
Re: He's special the same way any individual is special. Sidious - 15/09/2009 04:39:39 PM 683 Views
Re: He's special the same way any individual is special. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/09/2009 04:53:00 PM 671 Views
Re: He's special the same way any individual is special. Sidious - 15/09/2009 06:47:45 PM 662 Views
The more interesting question is... AgentOrange - 14/09/2009 06:34:11 PM 649 Views
Hmmm Sidious - 14/09/2009 07:04:34 PM 667 Views
I think we'll see Graendal vs. Aran'gar. fionwe1987 - 14/09/2009 07:31:16 PM 741 Views
Ah yes, that makes sense, and would be great! *NM* Sidious - 14/09/2009 07:40:29 PM 532 Views
Yeah. Though I think its no competition. Graendal has got to be better than a walking tree! fionwe1987 - 14/09/2009 07:50:09 PM 630 Views
They do imply that Graendal is a lot more dangerous than she looks beetnemesis - 14/09/2009 09:08:43 PM 659 Views
I've never underestimated Graendal Sidious - 14/09/2009 09:42:49 PM 691 Views
Yeah... her frivolity was always a red flag for me too. fionwe1987 - 14/09/2009 10:18:40 PM 691 Views
To me, she is the most lethal. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/09/2009 05:18:10 PM 521 Views
Yup... fionwe1987 - 15/09/2009 06:39:20 PM 567 Views
I still like Lanfear more Sidious - 15/09/2009 06:51:03 PM 646 Views
Bah! She's an idiot! fionwe1987 - 15/09/2009 07:06:06 PM 663 Views
only in love *NM* Sidious - 15/09/2009 07:23:29 PM 639 Views
Graendal did not beat me and Moghedien Lanfear - 15/09/2009 05:59:39 PM 731 Views
Agreed Sidious - 15/09/2009 06:36:48 PM 647 Views
Ummm... how do we know? fionwe1987 - 15/09/2009 06:40:57 PM 790 Views
Re: Ummm... how do we know? Sidious - 15/09/2009 06:56:21 PM 687 Views
Hmmm... fionwe1987 - 15/09/2009 07:07:45 PM 840 Views
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