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More or less agree, but with some corrections Cannoli Send a noteboard - 01/10/2010 01:34:13 PM
We know that novices and accepted are generally kept from fraternizing with men so they don't end up getting pregnant as that would interfere with their studies. AS may eventually become so used to being single that they become less interested in pursuing a relationship.
This is what it boils down to. Also there are career issues to consider. A great deal of responsibility for the real world differences in income between the two genders has a lot to do with the demands reproduction makes against a woman's career. Studies have shown that women tend to go for lower-paying fields that are more forgiving of time off for family and child-related duties, and are less likely to remain in high-pressure, demanding jobs for long periods of time. In addition, many careers require you to maintain an up-to-date knowledge of the field. A year off for maternity leave for a software engineer can leave one hopelessly out of date. While this might not seem to be true for channelers, an Aes Sedai's job is not really channeling, but being Aes Sedai. That requires either involvement in Tower politics or being on the road doing things. The latter is absolutely counter-indicated for pregnant women or those with young children in a world with no motor transportation. As for the Tower politics, that involves staying up to speed on events and schemes and plots and whatnot. Children are a vulnerability in that kind of thing, pregnancy appears to be some sort of weakness in the eyes of other women, however hard they close ranks on any male who dares belittle that institution, and the importance they attach to Tower business suggests they cannot see stepping out of the loop for a couple of months for what they have been "raised" to see as a frivolous pasttime.

There's also maturity to consider. AS are around 30 by the time they're raised to the shawl. Men who have the same maturity as an AS at that point are likely either married or not interested in settling down, and an AS may not wish to get involved with someone less mature. Also, keep in mind that a new AS is still pretty inexperienced in relationships since she's spent a number of years in seclusion during which most young people actively court each other. On the flip side, many men who are familiar with AS are at best wary of them, so that probably lowers the pool of potential partners as well.
I think sisters exaggerate that last - men are notoriously willing to go along with a sexual relationship no matter what the glaringly obvious unsuitability of the partner in question. Meanwhile, women are notoriously more desirous of long-term relationships, but any relationship with a non-channeler is, from the perspective of a channeler, automatically a short-term thing. Going by sexual generalization, it's the women who are far more to blame for the lack of relationships in this case. And why on earth does the lack of relationships preclude having children? While it's not optimal for a child to be raised solely by a woman, an Aes Sedai is in a position to mitigate most of the worst aspects of that situation. Anyway, it's not like she'll be doing most, if any, of the work of raising the kids, so she can arrange for male supervision or care as well.

Ajah rules may play a part. The Blue for example, forbid marriage (but ostensibly not sex ), and other Ajahs might either frown upon or forbid marriages or sexual relationships. I can see Red having such bans in place. Green is the only exception that we're aware of. However, since there have been debates among AS as to whether their lack of children is contributing to a decline in channeling ability, we can probably assume that at least some Ajahs in addition to the Green don't forbid sex. Ajah politics might have some role here as well, a husband and children might create divided loyalties, which the Ajahs liekly don't want.
The impression I got was that marriage is discouraged, not expressly forbidden, since the only Blues we really know both have hard and fast plans to marry. "abstain" was the word used in New Spring, though I don't recall if that is merely a custom or an express requirement.

Even then, there does seem to be a largely spinster culture in the WT as a whole that tends to discourage relationships, largely due to the extended lifespan. There's repeated mentions of AS watching not just their husbands and children, but great-grandchildren and later descendants grwoing old and dying. Not necessarily specific examples of this happening, but given as a reason for why AS avoid relationships. Possibly at sometime in the past, marriages and families may have caused various difficulties to the point where the AS tried to discourage them.
I think it's just an excuse, since that does not appear to detract from relationships among the Sea Folk or Aiel.

Also, in Manetherin, the Queen was always an AS, and presumably the realm had dynastic succession.
From what Moiraine said, that was through the male line. The Kings in that case would simply allow the woman they wanted as queen to bond them. Even if it was true that the king & queen were always warder & Aes Sedai, it does not follow that they would have to be married, anymore than the King and Panarch of Tarabon have to be married, or a clan chief and his main Wise One advisor, or a Sailmistress and her Cargomaster, or for that matter, than a Queen of Andor & her official Aes Sedai advisor have to dyke it out. The actual notion that the queen was always an AS who bonded the king is no more than a rumor Faile stated and strongly suggested to be unfounded.

So that does indicate the likelyhood of children (though I'm unsure as to whether or not the Oath Rod was in place at point). Other AS in the past were queens or other rulers, so likely they would want dynastic succession as well. Dynastic succession doesn't necessarily need to involve having children (e.g.: the WT trying to get Moiraine on the throne of Cairhien in NS; even though she's a Blue and can't marry, she would probably either produce an heir outside marriage or be succeeded by another member of the Damodred family when her rule finally ended had she gone along with the WT's attepts to put her on the throne), but it does make it easier to secure succession.
There is no suggestion of any obstacle illegitimacy presents to succesion anywhere in WoT, and given the primacy of female power, there is also no reason for such a cultural more. There has not been one suggestion, in the three successive books in which Elayne was pregnant that her unmarried status carries the least implication for her reputation or the succession of her children. Of greater importance on that score in Elayne's mind is not having twin girls, than in arranging a marriage to legitimize her bastards. A crisis of succession inspired by an arguable seniority of claims is a greater threat to a smooth succession than any taint of illegitimacy undermining their claim.
In a case where succession comes from the female line, there is no reason for illegitimacy, since all children are unquestionably the offspring of their mother and there is no need for legal protection of a woman's rights when she is the one with the power and resources.
Cannoli
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Does the Oath Rod destroy the urge to procreate? - 01/10/2010 07:23:43 AM 996 Views
wouldn't surprise me - 01/10/2010 08:26:49 AM 550 Views
It's more the overall culture of the AS, I think - 01/10/2010 09:12:25 AM 718 Views
agreed *NM* - 01/10/2010 10:01:21 AM 216 Views
*nods* - 01/10/2010 11:29:35 AM 632 Views
More or less agree, but with some corrections - 01/10/2010 01:34:13 PM 688 Views
BUT this didnt stop Aes Sedai in the AoL - 01/10/2010 02:58:22 PM 746 Views
Almost none of those reasons applied in the AoL, so what's your point? - 01/10/2010 03:20:59 PM 510 Views
Point is - 01/10/2010 03:33:41 PM 467 Views
Let's not forget that a pregnant woman has trouble channelling. - 01/10/2010 02:18:12 PM 479 Views
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Re: Does the Oath Rod destroy the urge to procreate? - 05/10/2010 06:35:57 PM 493 Views
Interesting...but no. - 06/10/2010 01:58:28 PM 553 Views
no but your questions do *NM* - 10/10/2010 05:38:41 PM 213 Views
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