Re: Actually, didn't RJ do the Forsaken infodump thing too?
DomA Send a noteboard - 25/09/2010 08:48:05 PM
I was wondering if you could clarify this ... are you wondering who taught her, or are you saying that it was Graendal but you find it silly? I always thought it was Graendal who taught her
Except the scene establishes it wasn't her well.
It's established the BA in general don,t know compulsion. Liandrin's is a wilder trick, very limited. Verin's was pieced together with difficulty and over many years, from wilder tricks of wilder novices.
There never was any indication the BA knew any compulsion to teach.
Aran'gar had no ally among female Forsaken (Mesaana would sooner give the Tower to Aran'gar than teach her pet AS compulsion..), leaving only Cyndane and Moghedien. Moridin had no motive to have one teach Aan'gar's pet Compulsion (Moridin had never seemed interested in educating the BA in much of anything. "His" BA is a rather pitiful, limited thing, for an organization so old and all), when Aran'gar herself could do any compelling there was to be done. Oh wait...Aran'gar's pitiful dealings with Egwene and her stubborness suggests strongly Aran'gar's skills there are not much. Now, her skills are apparently all right...
And yet, not only Aran'gar tells Graendal Delana has been taught Compulsion, but also that she has decent skills in it. How exactly would Aran'gar know this, when did she have Delana compel anyone? That's pure out of the blue silliness, and speaks of a deus ex machina by Brandon.
If anyone ought to have taught Delana "decent compulsion", it should have been Graendal. Had Brandon not messed it all up, there probably was the Aran'gar/Graendal first scene in the prologue. It would make sense for Graendal to teach Delana compulsion, because Delana can Travel and could then go around compelling people or meet with Graendal's agents to mess up with Rand. It would make sense for Aran'gar to have accepted his pet was used this way by Graendal, because Aran'gar would have welcomed an opportunity to learn more about Graendal's networks... and she sought to kill Rand.
But no.. .instead we got a Delana who's been taught Compulsion by nobody, Aran'gar midly impressed at her skills ("decent" in the mouth of a Forsaken means: "actually, she's quite awesome at it" while we've never seen Delana having any persuasion toward people Aran'gar ordered her (and pushed her hard) to convince, so plenty of occasions to use compulsion if she's so good.. yet she never seemed to have used it.... and worst, perhaps, we have Nynaeve (cheaply, to reinforce the bloody red herring that Graendal did it to get the stupid cliffhanger to work) quite amazed at the complexity of the weave... she wasn't that impressed with Graendal's in Bandar Eban, for heaven's sake.
Really, the only good thing about this scene is that Graendal survived. Other than that, Brandon messed it all up, from the minutia to the back story, to the lack of set up to the misplacement of that scene, part of which belonged early in TGS, and the climax clearly belonged to the second part of the chapter when Rand balefired the palace.
This message last edited by DomA on 25/09/2010 at 08:53:34 PM
mistakes sanderson makes that bug you
23/09/2010 05:38:52 PM
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Bael mentioning the Aiel Waste; characters using words that are too sophisticated or techical
23/09/2010 06:11:34 PM
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I completely agree...
23/09/2010 08:54:17 PM
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Re: I completely agree...
24/09/2010 01:57:38 AM
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Re: I completely agree...
24/09/2010 06:39:17 PM
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Oh, sh**, Moiraine! I never thought about that! The comments about her in tGS suggest you're right
26/09/2010 03:23:56 AM
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The entire Graendal scene
23/09/2010 06:27:03 PM
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I think this is the type of info that RJ never got around to revealing.
23/09/2010 08:46:51 PM
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Particularly the way he described sex. It reeked of Mormon discomfort with the topic.
24/09/2010 02:04:08 AM
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Reeked? Great word. It seemed quite in line with RJ's own dealings with the topic. *NM*
24/09/2010 03:42:28 AM
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RJ had great sexual humor--he even went a little overboard sometimes IMO
24/09/2010 11:28:25 PM
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Re: RJ had great sexual humor--he even went a little overboard sometimes IMO
25/09/2010 08:56:47 PM
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RJ said breasts all the time, but in a more clinical manner - folding arms under breasts, etc
26/09/2010 03:33:09 AM
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Actually, didn't RJ do the Forsaken infodump thing too?
24/09/2010 04:09:48 AM
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Re: Actually, didn't RJ do the Forsaken infodump thing too?
24/09/2010 05:36:23 PM
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A lot of those are reasons why I always thought she was alive..
24/09/2010 06:10:35 PM
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Re: A lot of those are reasons why I always thought she was alive..
24/09/2010 07:54:54 PM
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Re: Actually, didn't RJ do the Forsaken infodump thing too?
25/09/2010 10:02:02 AM
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Re: Actually, didn't RJ do the Forsaken infodump thing too?
25/09/2010 08:48:05 PM
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Not really a mistake, I guess
25/09/2010 09:45:54 PM
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Well...
26/09/2010 06:30:54 AM
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Thanks. I think I didn't notice it with RJ because
26/09/2010 06:35:47 AM
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