We dont know for sure that it took time for Siuane to lose the ageless look.
NewYorkerAesSedai--
--I'd like to add that Siuan became young-looking again after her stilling--
"Imediately after" or "a while after" is still "after". We dont know for sure if her look slowly/rapidly changed or imediately changed.
From what we can tell from the books at face value, the mechanics of stilling differ from that of releasing.
It "appears", IMHO, that with stilling the affects are much more rapid.
The only thing we have to go on as far as releasing is concerened(over a long period of time) is the possibility that Cadsuane has shed herself of the oaths (which could explain her age). She still has the ageless look.
NewYorkerAesSedai could be correct but we just dont have enough info. Stuff like this gets RAFO'd if I am not mistaken. Maybe it will get touched upon later...
NewYorkerAesSedai--
--I'd like to add that Siuan became young-looking again after her stilling--
"Imediately after" or "a while after" is still "after". We dont know for sure if her look slowly/rapidly changed or imediately changed.
From what we can tell from the books at face value, the mechanics of stilling differ from that of releasing.
It "appears", IMHO, that with stilling the affects are much more rapid.
The only thing we have to go on as far as releasing is concerened(over a long period of time) is the possibility that Cadsuane has shed herself of the oaths (which could explain her age). She still has the ageless look.
NewYorkerAesSedai could be correct but we just dont have enough info. Stuff like this gets RAFO'd if I am not mistaken. Maybe it will get touched upon later...
The Aes Sedai didn't know more than rumours-hearsay about this effect of stilling, because stilled women are shunned, and no one ever made stilling the subject of a study. Very few stilled women have remained around to be seen either (Bonwhin was one such exception, but as a scullion and probably no Aes Sedai wanted to take a good look at her).
Obviously, the loss of the ageless look cannot be instantaneous nor even close to, because then it would be common knowledge that stilled women look like this (we know it's customary, perhaps even law, that AS in the Tower attend the major punishments - and of course there are those carrying the sentence too). One thing is that the sentence of stilling in Tower Law is most often symbolic and ritual. Sisters are stilled, to strip them of their ability to channel and thus of their status as Aes Sedai, before they can be executed. This way, it's never sister who is executed. Before capital punishment, the sister is forsaken from the Tower (a tradition that may date back to the WOS, when the evil Aes Sedai were stripped of status and even renamed in scorn, and called Forsaken)
If Siuan had lost her ageless look anywhere near instantly, it would have been noticed by the women who carried the sentence and then, once she was stripped of her Aes Sedai status, put her ruthlessly to the Question through the night (which, by Tower Law, they cannot do to Tower initiates, even suspected BA. As the BA hunters pointed out, they could have been stilled for putting Talene to the Question, because Talene had not been stripped of her AS status. So Siuan was judged summarily, stilled then put to the Question).
Logically, Siuan only began to lose her agelessness look over the hours after her stilling, and there's no very solid evidence that it didn't fade gradually over a longer period of time (though it's unlikely, given how the ageless look is a kind of OP skin streching). The next day she already didn't look like the Siuan of old, but we don't know if she already had her "final" new look then, or if she kept changing for a while.
What we can surmise from the episode and what we know is that it begins right away, but it takes many hours to start being really noticeable, and perhaps days before the process is over and the woman is back to her natural appearance (that is, Siuan and Leane look like women of fairly high strength, who began channelling early around 16 y.o and thus would start to slow early, would look in their mid-thirties. That's fairly good evidence that a removal of the Oaths by stilling or with the OR simply negate the side-effects of binding on your body, and you're back to your natural appearance. In other words, it means the "ageless look" is "faked" - a OP equivalent of a lifting... If you release the net from the binder, what kept your skin streched is removed and you gradually regain your real appearance. The rest of the "agelessness" is due to the fact the Aes Sedai lifespan is cut by half. The real signs of decay, health loss etc. happen past your middle years, and all bound AS die suddenly before that phase of their life. Unbound very old channellers we've seen reach a point where their body decays (Cadsuane's toothless wilder), become frail (the Rhuidan AS) and very likely they can get sick like any very old people - very strong evidence that Aes Sedai's "immunity" to diseases is a Tower misconception is the middle-aged Mesaana's fears of this Age's diseases. The OP may give them some protection, like a boost of their immune system, but the "magical" health of the Tower's AS is by and large due to the fact very few of them seems to survive past what would be comparable to the biological age of 30, 35, 40 y.o. Cadsuane, at around 300 (so around 50 y.o., a 50 y.o. who's kept active and in good shape all her life at that) is presented as really exceptional. A lot of sisters seem to die closer to their 200 y.o., which is comparable to 30 y.o. for a woman of Cadsuane's lifespan (and unbound, it means these women would have died at a point comparable to their early or mid sixties)
Stilling, the Oath Rod, Black Ajah, the Ageless Face and Verin Sedai
03/09/2010 09:09:28 PM
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Why did I see this post and think it said, "Sitting on the Oath Rod?"
03/09/2010 09:53:10 PM
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You're not alone. I had a double take as well LOL Get your mind outa the gutter
04/09/2010 12:08:48 AM
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Remember also that becoming "young" again is not immediate
03/09/2010 10:47:11 PM
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But we dont know for sure that it took...
04/09/2010 12:24:24 AM
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small problem
04/09/2010 01:14:03 AM
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Maybe it's something that occurs when a woman is stilled by Saidar instead of Saidin.
04/09/2010 08:31:16 AM
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Maybe, but it seems less likely since the Ageless look is a byproduct of a ter'angreal
04/09/2010 05:33:57 PM
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We can be pretty sure...
04/09/2010 01:30:09 AM
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Unless you were born in the wetlands, refering to her by title is a rather silly affectation *NM*
04/09/2010 04:16:54 AM
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...WHAT??!?!?! *spoilered*
04/09/2010 05:14:29 PM
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why on earth are you on a fan site like this if you haven't read tGS?
04/09/2010 08:34:55 PM
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well when people are SO ACCEPTING of others who have other things to do than read fantasy novels..
04/09/2010 08:46:31 PM
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Well, King Kong dies in the end too!
04/09/2010 09:12:35 PM
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like i said, I really wasn't trying to accuse you of being a spoilsport
04/09/2010 09:20:20 PM
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See that's where you are dead wrong
04/09/2010 09:55:51 PM
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But you ARE a dick. Don't you enjoy our club?
04/09/2010 11:50:54 PM
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wait there's a club for these things?? christ on a crutch ... if I knew that I would have applied
05/09/2010 02:47:34 PM
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Re: like i said, I really wasn't trying to accuse you of being a spoilsport
05/09/2010 07:30:14 AM
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Don't be discouraged, you didn't complain about the spoil, so I doubt it was intended jerk-ily
04/09/2010 09:19:35 PM
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I actually love advance knowledge. This one got me so excited I almost bounced up to the store
04/09/2010 09:21:16 PM
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take a chill pill sister ... just because you are looking to be insulted doesn't mean I intended too
04/09/2010 09:53:20 PM
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why can't we all just get along? and why did this go on for so long that someone had to type that? *NM*
05/09/2010 03:46:03 AM
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Get out. *points to the door* Go. Bad Celia, bad! *swats with a newspaper* *NM*
05/09/2010 05:18:30 AM
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At this point you can probably borrow it from the public library! *NM*
07/09/2010 08:01:56 PM
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