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Re: Huh? Daidala Send a noteboard - 10/09/2009 09:18:17 PM

It just seems to me that there has to be more to him than the obvious. Jordan never wasted a character. Besides, didn't Matt have a vision of Oliver killing him in one of his previous lives?


Couldn't have been OLVER in a previous life! :P But seriously, I don't remember this at all. Even if one of the men in Mat's memories (who are not his ancestors nor his past incarnations) was killed by a younger, ugly person, that says nothing about what will happen to Mat. There have been no Min-Viewings, Foretellings, or Dreams of this sort of thing. (And the fact that RJ intended to write outrigger novels about Mat after the end of the story kinda implies his survival, huh?)

The consensus seems to be that Olver's significance to the plot was through the Snakes and Foxes game - to reveal it to the readers, I guess, and maybe remind Mat about its features (like the chants, the fact that you can only win by cheating). It seems to represent Finnland somehow, and of course, Mat's going to be having his Tower of Ghenjei adventure soon.

And Olver made for some entertaining scenes in the stories, too.


I never meant to imply that Oliver would kill Mat (Matrim) Cauthon, only I thought I remembered a memory of Mat's from one of the other lives in which he was killed by a figure that looked like Oliver. (If I find the memory I will let everyone know.) Matt was so afraid the memories he had from the Finns had come from the eyes and ears of others who, like himself, had bargained with them. He has a fear that they are spying through his own eyes. Meanwhile, Oliver showed up with Snakes and Foxes. Oliver could be a plant or he could be just what he seems. That is what makes the speculation interesting.

I didn't think Mat would be killed in the Final Battle, but I didn't know Jordan was planning stand-alone books for him either. Mat is so colorful. I would have loved to read the books.
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