Re: I disagree - Moiraine's wilder tricks show that she is quite creative with the OP
DomA Send a noteboard - 24/08/2010 05:32:11 PM
We know for example that she started experimenting with the One Power once she found out she could channel - she generated a trick involving light sources and stones. Further there were variations of weaves in which she used a staff or branch as a focus such as whips of fire and using a branch as a fireball-shooting wand.
I'm not going so far to say that she is on the same level as Egwene, Elayne and Nynaeve, but I do think that unlike many Sisters, by the time she was Raised, she was known as barely above a Wilder for a reason, and I think it is because she had personal tricks that lay outside of what the White Tower taught.
I'm not going so far to say that she is on the same level as Egwene, Elayne and Nynaeve, but I do think that unlike many Sisters, by the time she was Raised, she was known as barely above a Wilder for a reason, and I think it is because she had personal tricks that lay outside of what the White Tower taught.
As far as we know, Moiraine has only one wilder trick, and it's the eavesdropping ward using her stone as a focus. Only the way she does it is unique.
Wilders are creative all right (all but the Tower trained ones, like the Kinswomen). Probably any channeller can be creative, but that's all before the White Tower hammers in their heads that they mustn't ever experiment with the One Power. The Tower kills all creativity its channellers have, meaning sisters may even have some of their major talents left totally unused because they are in areas OP knowledge is lost (Egwene's talent with Earth might have gone totally undevelopped had she had regular WT education). That's the big difference between Egwene/Elayne and the others (Nynaeve tended to fear the OP, so she stiffled her creativity). Egwene and Elayne didn't have enough WT time to kill their curiosity yet have had enough basic training to experiment with relative safety (unlike most wilders), and they had opportunities to experiment on their own and see when they did their ability developped and new areas and possibilities opened. The sisters in Tar Valon don't do that - only wilders had time to figure things out of their own and are brainwashed to not ever do that again - or didn't before Egwene/Elayne/Nynaeve were suddenly discovering so much they could no longer hide their heads in the ground and started following them with experimentation. We saw some sisters with "ideas" that may or may not have been personal weaves of theirs they kept hidden. It could well have been just ideas for real, that they had long ago but never dared put to the test before Egwene/Elayne and their discoveries.
Moiraine's use of objects as focus in channelling isn't "creative", it's a limitation/bad habit she's developped before her Tower training and can't get totally rid of.
The notion that she has the mindset to experiment until she discovered how to weave balefire on her own is quite ridiculous.
How were all these amazing weaves 'lost' ?
20/08/2010 04:33:43 AM
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You're right. It is merely a plot requirement, made ludicrous by the ease of mastering these weaves
20/08/2010 10:08:10 AM
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Re: You're right. It is merely a plot requirement, made ludicrous by the ease of mastering
20/08/2010 03:40:16 PM
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These are good points. To some extent, it may be because our main characters are "gifted" channelers
20/08/2010 08:57:49 PM
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The bigger problem is minor characters copying the weaves so quickly...
20/08/2010 09:14:25 PM
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Lost Weaves
20/08/2010 01:43:25 PM
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Not logical
20/08/2010 01:50:32 PM
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Re: Not logical
20/08/2010 03:22:04 PM
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All I'm saying, is that Travelling would STILL be a very usefull survival tool during the Breaking..
20/08/2010 03:44:59 PM
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If you go back and read the descriptions of the breaking, and think about the 3000 year cycle
20/08/2010 04:37:02 PM
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I don't think that creating cuendillar and 'angreals was common knowledge.
20/08/2010 05:06:20 PM
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You & Ryan make good points, esp on balefire/compulsion. In a shorter series, it'd make more sense
20/08/2010 08:52:59 PM
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Maybe Aes Sedai treated weaves like Intellectual Property
20/08/2010 09:49:12 PM
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Trademark? Patent? Or Copyright? =P *NM*
20/08/2010 10:19:36 PM
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If they are secretive and protective, it's not a huge stretch that knowledge would be taken into the
21/08/2010 10:27:15 AM
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Idea?
21/08/2010 12:47:52 AM
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But they weren't too weak
21/08/2010 02:48:43 AM
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That's because most of the major people in WoT are powerful channelers.
21/08/2010 04:13:04 AM
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How can you "write a weave down"?
21/08/2010 04:54:28 PM
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How did Moiraine learn balefire then? *NM*
21/08/2010 05:04:27 PM
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figured it out on her own, don't forget that Nyn used it too against the Fades in TDR. *NM*
21/08/2010 05:12:15 PM
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That's a stretch - Moiraine never demonstrated any creative talent with the OP...
21/08/2010 06:15:01 PM
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OK, I'll buy Vandene teaching it, but not learning it from a written description *NM*
21/08/2010 06:35:46 PM
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I disagree - Moiraine's wilder tricks show that she is quite creative with the OP
24/08/2010 03:31:06 PM
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Re: I disagree - Moiraine's wilder tricks show that she is quite creative with the OP
24/08/2010 05:32:11 PM
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We know of her trick with stones and light from 'New Spring' IIRC
25/08/2010 02:40:26 PM
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Passing on useful survival skills trumped esoteric lore during the War of Power and the Breaking
25/08/2010 03:18:47 PM
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