Either he was lying (unlikely), or Ishamael implied that he and the Dragon had fought numerous (thousands?) of times which would mean that the Dark One's 'prison' had been drilled into over and over and over again.
The Wheel weaves the Pattern, but apparently the Wheel weaves a similar Pattern each time, else why would the DO want to break the Wheel and destroy it for all time. It seems as though each time he is freed, imprisoned and freed again, over and over.
That sounds like the Creator intended it to happen, maybe to give all humans free will to choose to follow the DO, or not. Just as the Creator does not stop someone from using the One Power for good or evil. Thus Lanfear aka Mieren may have been destined to drill the bore over and over and over again, or it could have been someone else, but someone always did it.
Then again maybe Ishamael is talking about the Mirrors of the Wheel, where in alternate realities the same battles are being taken place and the whole drilling only happened once, yet across all the realities. How he would know this, I dont know. Maybe it was only conjecture on his part.
My thoughts are that Ishamael is not talking about the alternate realities and in fact is stating that in this reality he and the Dragon have fought countless times, thus the DO has always been there and was destined to have someone drill the bore every time over and over again. Even if Rand wins TG it wouldn't mean that it won't happen again and again, so likely he will only defeat, not destroy the DO forever...
The Wheel weaves the Pattern, but apparently the Wheel weaves a similar Pattern each time, else why would the DO want to break the Wheel and destroy it for all time. It seems as though each time he is freed, imprisoned and freed again, over and over.
That sounds like the Creator intended it to happen, maybe to give all humans free will to choose to follow the DO, or not. Just as the Creator does not stop someone from using the One Power for good or evil. Thus Lanfear aka Mieren may have been destined to drill the bore over and over and over again, or it could have been someone else, but someone always did it.
Then again maybe Ishamael is talking about the Mirrors of the Wheel, where in alternate realities the same battles are being taken place and the whole drilling only happened once, yet across all the realities. How he would know this, I dont know. Maybe it was only conjecture on his part.
My thoughts are that Ishamael is not talking about the alternate realities and in fact is stating that in this reality he and the Dragon have fought countless times, thus the DO has always been there and was destined to have someone drill the bore every time over and over again. Even if Rand wins TG it wouldn't mean that it won't happen again and again, so likely he will only defeat, not destroy the DO forever...
At least, in why Ishamael has such gloomy feelings about the DO. Eventually the DO will win, because the pattern keeps repeating itself...b/c it is a wheel lol. The DO has never gotten out of his prison so far, just been able to "peak" out. Otherwise he would have destroyed the pattern.
RJ leaves it unclear as to the exact nature of the DO. At times, he is clearly represented, at least in the eyes of the ppl of randland, as pure evil. That being from which evil flows and is derived. At others, he seems like a dialectic of the pattern's dichotomy.
Events surrounding the bore and throughout the series support this latter statement as well. The presence of a power, much like the one power, but not separated between male and female, represented a philosophical first for the aes sedai of the time. Everything in the world seemed to be separated into two categories, a dichotomy. Male, female. Light, dark. Good, bad. And so on and so forth. That's why the symbol of aes sedai is the yin yang symbol. This is RJ paying homage to that philosophy.
So detection of a power source free of dichotomy would be very interesting to the aes sedai of the AoL. It would be, in a way, like discovering a piece of God.
The DO also wants to break free of the pattern. He hates it, because of its dichotomous nature. At least, that's how it seems. The DO does not need our saidin and saidar to subsist. He is above and beyond the duality that governs our world and thus wants to destroy the pattern and break free.
Now, this would go against the feeling that the DO is pure evil and that the creator is pure good.
It's never really made clear to us the exact nature of the DO and the Creator. Something I find frustrating, but understandable.
You must unlearn what you have learned.
How did Lanfear a.k.a Mierin actually "drill" the hole into the "Bore" and what was the DO doing?
18/08/2010 03:29:23 AM
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I thought the DO was locked in the pattern
18/08/2010 03:43:37 AM
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I think it was the exact opposite, the DO was locked OUTSIDE the pattern
18/08/2010 08:01:23 AM
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No, he's definitely bound to the pattern
18/08/2010 08:44:30 AM
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Modern-day physicists know a lot about very complicated things.
18/08/2010 05:02:40 AM
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He was definitely bound to the pattern, not outside of it.
18/08/2010 08:56:51 AM
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Uh, "definitely" is a strong word to use when you're not providing any quotes.
18/08/2010 07:58:14 PM
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Ishamael implied that this happened before..
18/08/2010 05:15:40 AM
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That's sort of the whole point, really...
18/08/2010 08:56:30 AM
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2 theories
18/08/2010 01:03:44 PM
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