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Couladin and Asmodean Nameless Ashaman Send a noteboard - 13/08/2010 08:33:38 AM
Arrogant, greedy, ambitious, and intolerant, yes. But that doesn't make him a DF.

He was also little more than a puppet for Sevanna to control. And we've seen little indication that she was a DF.



Personally, I find it unlikely that he was sworn to the Shadow. He was just a none-too-bright Aiel warrior with enough political influence that Asmodean decided to use him to throw a wrench into Rand's plans.


What do we really know?

Couladin agreed to let Asmodean put the fake dragon markings on his arms in a bid for power. He may not have known who Asmo really was (in fact, I highly doubt it), but he had to believe he was dealing with a male channeler with all that implies. He must at the very least have suspected he was dealing with DF's.

But we really have no way of knowing how much Couladin knew or didn't know. We also have have no way of knowing how much of what he did was his own plans and how much was Sevanna's, or Asmodean's, or Lanfear's. He was at least partially a puppet, definitely.

There's nothing conclusive. Personally I'm 50/50 on whether or not he was an actual DF.
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Who betrayed Cadsuane by stealing the male adam and CK? malekithe - 12/08/2010 09:49:32 AM 1805 Views
it's been discussed a lot Deadsy - 12/08/2010 11:00:06 AM 1279 Views
Really? All the questions it poses? malekithe - 12/08/2010 11:06:11 AM 1067 Views
Havent seen this exact discussion before either.. *NM* malekithe - 12/08/2010 11:06:45 AM 417 Views
see my further reply =oP I'm 13% less of a jerkface than it looks *NM* Deadsy - 12/08/2010 12:10:28 PM 421 Views
Re: Really? All the questions it poses? NaClH2O - 12/08/2010 11:56:26 AM 1093 Views
not really darius_sedai - 12/08/2010 02:08:41 PM 999 Views
Yep, pretty much. Otherwise he could have just nullified the Compulsions' lingering effect on Elza RugbyPlayingAshaman - 12/08/2010 02:11:24 PM 926 Views
That's how I see it too darius_sedai - 12/08/2010 03:50:19 PM 886 Views
As demonstrated in TGS... Nameless Ashaman - 12/08/2010 05:27:21 PM 905 Views
We don't know that about Compulsion - we are talking about 2 different ways to deal with that weave RugbyPlayingAshaman - 12/08/2010 07:16:30 PM 892 Views
Re: We don't know that about Compulsion - we are talking about 2 different ways to deal Datakim - 12/08/2010 08:21:32 PM 912 Views
Re: We don't know that about Compulsion - we are talking about 2 different ways to deal RugbyPlayingAshaman - 12/08/2010 08:32:41 PM 906 Views
Re: We don't know that about Compulsion - we are talking about 2 different ways to deal Ryan - 13/08/2010 06:51:45 AM 771 Views
I replied to the topic before you edited to ask all the extra questions Deadsy - 12/08/2010 12:08:27 PM 897 Views
Oh Deadsy newyorkersedai - 13/08/2010 05:18:32 AM 856 Views
Both Bair and Sorilea knew The Angry Druid - 12/08/2010 10:33:59 PM 904 Views
Fallacy of logic NaClH2O - 12/08/2010 10:58:49 PM 877 Views
Re: Fallacy of logic Datakim - 12/08/2010 11:07:19 PM 775 Views
Disagree NaClH2O - 13/08/2010 11:44:41 AM 884 Views
I think it was Sorilea. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 12/08/2010 02:09:28 PM 935 Views
Re: Who betrayed Cadsuane by stealing the male adam and CK? Datakim - 12/08/2010 02:43:23 PM 1116 Views
Re: Who betrayed Cadsuane by stealing the male adam and CK? malekithe - 12/08/2010 05:42:00 PM 1391 Views
Re: Who betrayed Cadsuane by stealing the male adam and CK? Datakim - 12/08/2010 08:06:25 PM 1190 Views
Re: Who betrayed Cadsuane by stealing the male adam and CK? malekithe - 12/08/2010 08:20:44 PM 909 Views
Re: Who betrayed Cadsuane by stealing the male adam and CK? Datakim - 12/08/2010 08:32:21 PM 1014 Views
Who most wanted to get rid of Cadsuane BESIDES Rand? malekithe - 12/08/2010 09:01:44 PM 1032 Views
Re: Who most wanted to get rid of Cadsuane BESIDES Rand? Datakim - 12/08/2010 09:12:35 PM 807 Views
Cadsuane purposely framed, not a mistake malekithe - 12/08/2010 11:51:43 PM 982 Views
Regarding Aiel DFs Nameless Ashaman - 12/08/2010 11:38:48 PM 937 Views
Can't be Sorilea NaClH2O - 13/08/2010 11:50:53 AM 842 Views
Re: Can't be Sorilea malekithe - 13/08/2010 08:46:02 PM 802 Views
Re: Can't be Sorilea NaClH2O - 14/08/2010 12:00:40 AM 834 Views
Re: Can't be Sorilea Datakim - 14/08/2010 12:34:18 AM 893 Views
Re: Can't be Sorilea NaClH2O - 14/08/2010 04:31:24 AM 878 Views
Oh yes.. Cadsuane was so so careful..NOT malekithe - 17/08/2010 06:42:49 AM 799 Views
Not necessarily, Sorilea still could have watched Cadsuane untie the weaves malekithe - 15/08/2010 01:53:27 AM 782 Views
Re: Not necessarily, Sorilea still could have watched Cadsuane untie the weaves NaClH2O - 15/08/2010 12:53:42 PM 718 Views
I think that Couladin was a dark friend. krassos - 13/08/2010 03:00:20 AM 1285 Views
I'd be surprised, actually. Gher - 13/08/2010 05:34:13 AM 820 Views
Couladin and Asmodean Nameless Ashaman - 13/08/2010 08:33:38 AM 869 Views
Re: Couladin and Asmodean Gher - 13/08/2010 04:45:21 PM 1010 Views
Re: Couladin and Asmodean krassos - 14/08/2010 05:49:00 PM 872 Views
Re: Couladin and Asmodean Gher - 17/08/2010 04:07:50 AM 773 Views
Couldin isn't intolerant. He's murderously xenophobic. krassos - 14/08/2010 05:45:15 PM 813 Views
Almost ALL of the Aiel were murderously Xenophobic before Rand united them. *NM* Lord Haart - 15/08/2010 01:00:37 PM 393 Views
If someone entered their land. krassos - 15/08/2010 02:28:31 PM 837 Views
Well yeah. Gher - 17/08/2010 03:55:15 AM 820 Views
Re: The missing Choeden Kal... malekithe - 15/08/2010 07:47:40 AM 795 Views
She could have been ordered to leave it there. Lord Haart - 15/08/2010 01:04:38 PM 762 Views
Noone betrayed 'Cadsuane'-That was just a happy side affect (for the DO) RabidWombat - 15/08/2010 08:22:59 AM 915 Views
*Sigh* it is 2:20 AM so this is a double post. (You can ignore this one) *NM* *NM* RabidWombat - 15/08/2010 08:23:49 AM 372 Views
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