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Re: This idea is hardly vindicable saidarisnowtainted Send a noteboard - 27/07/2010 04:07:53 PM
We know from RJ that there was a previous version of SH in TDR, when Ishy was still around, SH 0.5. As said, we also have a SH PoV, where he spies on Sammael & Graendal, muses on his limitations and states that he is a Myrddraal (though a special one) and can't channel the OP (but use the TP). RJ later elaborated on this, telling that the DO projected his shadowy self into the body of a Myrddraal. SH is "the Dark One in shadowy form" and this all the time ("twenty-four/seven" as RJ put it). On the other hand, Moridin thinks of the DO as a separate being.


I'm glad you brought this up. I never liked that when we first saw SH he was SH "0.5" without explanation other than that RJ hadnt worked him out yet.

However, consider that he first appeared as "0.5" while Ishy was alive. Then, we next see SH after Ishy dies and and around his transmigration, but he is now a new and improved SH without explanation. I think one explanation is that he was juxtaposed with Moridin ala Luc/Isam.
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This idea is hardly vindicable - 23/07/2010 09:12:14 AM 852 Views
Au contraire. - 23/07/2010 11:23:09 AM 949 Views
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Again. RJ fooled you. - 23/07/2010 12:15:26 PM 852 Views
I think it would have to work this way: - 23/07/2010 03:10:59 PM 795 Views
Your reasoning falls apart right at the start, even though there is some truth to the rest, I think. - 23/07/2010 04:22:22 PM 895 Views
Um not quite - 25/07/2010 05:47:22 AM 755 Views
Hehehe. True, but the mental image still helps. - 25/07/2010 08:29:18 AM 988 Views
Re: Hehehe. True, but the mental image still helps. - 25/07/2010 08:32:10 AM 1020 Views
I think your evidence is pretty weak... - 26/07/2010 10:14:01 AM 712 Views
Why don't you answer some of the issues I raised then, instead of keeping it vague..? - 26/07/2010 11:58:02 AM 819 Views
Re: Why don't you answer some of the issues I raised then, instead of keeping it vague..? - 26/07/2010 12:18:51 PM 812 Views
Re: Why don't you answer some of the issues I raised then, instead of keeping it vague..? - 26/07/2010 12:43:53 PM 765 Views
Frankly, I don't see any similarity... - 26/07/2010 01:57:56 PM 834 Views
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The problem is... - 26/07/2010 04:27:50 PM 640 Views
No problem at all, but your unwillingness to accept the possibilty after all these years. - 27/07/2010 11:38:10 AM 753 Views
I already answered all this... - 27/07/2010 11:46:36 AM 767 Views
Yeah. And as proven earlier your answers are flat-out wrong. - 27/07/2010 01:17:36 PM 872 Views
I think we have to agree to disagree - 27/07/2010 01:34:34 PM 707 Views
Agreed then. - 27/07/2010 02:03:52 PM 857 Views
Thanks for those answers. Here's how wrong they actually are: - 26/07/2010 01:54:44 PM 793 Views
No problem - 26/07/2010 02:30:45 PM 841 Views
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Just to understand you correctly... - 26/07/2010 05:33:46 PM 760 Views
Sure..I'll answer your questions again.. "quid pro quo"? - 27/07/2010 12:43:21 PM 836 Views
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The DO has control over Moridin... - 27/07/2010 02:04:50 PM 648 Views
Uhh. Thanks ..I guess. - 27/07/2010 01:57:38 PM 861 Views
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One should also remember... - 26/07/2010 05:06:36 PM 669 Views
Eh? - 26/07/2010 05:30:20 PM 692 Views
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I think... - 26/07/2010 05:48:21 PM 594 Views
Re: I almost want the theory to be true, but one quick thing: - 26/07/2010 05:22:46 PM 838 Views
Re: This idea is hardly vindicable - 27/07/2010 04:07:53 PM 711 Views
= - Oh and has anyone given thought to Hopper = Bela? - 27/07/2010 09:17:18 PM 643 Views
Thanks! *bows and tips wide-brimmed hat* - 28/07/2010 07:54:05 AM 871 Views
Not the same individual - 24/07/2010 02:16:01 PM 717 Views
Re: Not the same individual - 24/07/2010 06:07:10 PM 608 Views
Aww Dom. I really hoped you were on the same page.. - 25/07/2010 09:38:35 AM 907 Views

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