WT has been THE single greatest force for stagancy and lack of development.
Lohikaarme Send a noteboard - 09/09/2009 08:58:58 AM
Let's see. They have the greatest library in the world. They were the ones who pulled civilization out of the chaos in the aftermath of the breaking, they were instrumental in the fighting during the trolloc wars and helped civilization recover afterwards. They were even the ones who tried diligently to keep "The Grand Coalition" together after the Aiel wars.
Ok, this is true, but they had 3000 years to use their long lives and OP to better the world, and accomplished what? They cept the world from falling apart until the Dragon was reborn to save the world.
And it was Aes Sedai who:
Kept the Dragon Reborn out of the Shadows hands early on
Kept the Shadow from capturing the Eye of the World and ending time itself
Took out two Forsaken, and captured a third
Rediscovered Traveling for women
Forced Moggy to reveal how to skim
Rediscovered how to make Cuendillar(sp?)
Rediscovered how to make Terangreal
Discovered out how to Heal men from stilling and imperfectly heal women
Were instrumental in recovering the Bowl of Winds and helped the Seafolk use it to make the weather right again (yes I realize that it was seafolk knowledge that "operated" the bowl, but AS power helped, especially with the Angreal they found.)
Aes Sedai were critical protection when Saidin was Cleansed. And a critical part of the team that Cleansed it. (passive yes, but not less critical)
An Aes Sedai got Rand out of prison at Far Madding
An Aes Sedai was instrumental in ensuring that Lan will have an army to fight with when the trollocs come pouring out of the Blight.
NaCl(yeah, I guess you are right, the Aes Sedai are superfluous)H2O
These were all Aes Sedai either doing against the ah so important Aes Sedai customs and/or Laws, or at least in secret from the White Tower.
Kept the Dragon Reborn out of the Shadows hands early on
Kept the Shadow from capturing the Eye of the World and ending time itself
Took out two Forsaken, and captured a third
Rediscovered Traveling for women
Forced Moggy to reveal how to skim
Rediscovered how to make Cuendillar(sp?)
Rediscovered how to make Terangreal
Discovered out how to Heal men from stilling and imperfectly heal women
Were instrumental in recovering the Bowl of Winds and helped the Seafolk use it to make the weather right again (yes I realize that it was seafolk knowledge that "operated" the bowl, but AS power helped, especially with the Angreal they found.)
Aes Sedai were critical protection when Saidin was Cleansed. And a critical part of the team that Cleansed it. (passive yes, but not less critical)
An Aes Sedai got Rand out of prison at Far Madding
An Aes Sedai was instrumental in ensuring that Lan will have an army to fight with when the trollocs come pouring out of the Blight.
NaCl(yeah, I guess you are right, the Aes Sedai are superfluous)H2O
Stuck in Finnland!
You know... it feels like the Aes Sedai are pretty superflouous
- 02/09/2009 09:48:19 PM
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Y'know, the paralells betwen the Aes Sedai in the White Tower...
- 02/09/2009 10:46:29 PM
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*NM*
That is the inspiration for the Aes Sedai that RJ used - I can't find the article, though.
- 03/09/2009 02:39:14 PM
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When I was reading this I was thinking of the paralells between the white tower and
- 03/09/2009 02:47:33 AM
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And yet the WT has been THE single greatest force for continuity and civilization.
- 03/09/2009 03:37:14 AM
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Re: And yet the WT has been THE single greatest force for continuity and civilization.
- 03/09/2009 05:46:13 AM
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Really?
- 03/09/2009 05:52:38 AM
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Re: Really?
- 03/09/2009 06:03:13 AM
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So lets add a few more
- 03/09/2009 11:42:48 AM
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most of these are accounted for above
- 03/09/2009 02:18:01 PM
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Just because we don't know all their names, doesn't mean their effectiveness on the Pattern was less
- 03/09/2009 03:19:41 PM
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But who did the work?
- 03/09/2009 05:37:00 PM
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While these are good, none of it is because of the White Tower
- 03/09/2009 05:43:56 PM
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So if Elaida didn't order it, it doesn't count?
- 03/09/2009 07:29:20 PM
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Re: But who did the work?
- 04/09/2009 01:32:19 PM
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Only one point because obviously your mind is made up.
- 05/09/2009 06:13:23 AM
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well, yeah
- 05/09/2009 02:33:51 PM
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In that case, Rand, Mat, Perrin... all of them are superfluous.
- 05/09/2009 03:03:07 PM
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Re: In that case, Rand, Mat, Perrin... all of them are superfluous.
- 05/09/2009 04:57:44 PM
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I don't understand your point
- 03/09/2009 04:25:22 PM
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Re: I don't understand your point
- 03/09/2009 09:09:38 PM
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I was talking about the WT specifically, and only during recent years. It's Gotta be the Shadow,
- 03/09/2009 05:39:11 PM
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So what you are really saying is that if you ignore over 2/3rds of the AS the rest aren't doing much
- 03/09/2009 06:07:23 PM
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I'm talking about the organization as a whole
- 03/09/2009 10:07:37 PM
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You just made our point...
- 04/09/2009 12:49:44 AM
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WT has been THE single greatest force for stagancy and lack of development.
- 09/09/2009 08:58:58 AM
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Like I said earlier the AS are superfluous except the ones who aren't superfluous.
- 09/09/2009 11:55:47 AM
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- 09/09/2009 11:55:47 AM
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To a certain extent
- 03/09/2009 11:33:30 AM
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Actually, I think Verin is a good metaphor here.
- 03/09/2009 07:59:46 PM
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Agrees with Nossy
- 03/09/2009 10:44:06 PM
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