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I don't know if Semirhage was sacrificed or not. Either way the Semirhage quote set up tGS 6 books RabidWombat Send a noteboard - 26/07/2010 02:29:59 AM
It makes no real sense that the Moridin first wanted Semirhage to capture Rand with the DB in KoD (as stated in TGS, prologue). Then SH actually frees Semirhage to try it again. Exactly in the moment, when she succeeds, when Rand is breaking, since he is killing Min, the DO would prevent this by saving Min and killing Semirhage due to giving Rand access to the TP.

It makes more sense that Rand managed to take the TP through the link to Moridin and that the Shadow couldn't foresee this. If Rand wouldn't have done this, the Shadow had likely won, because Rand would be a prisoner at SG, tortured by Semirhage, and Min dead.


I don't know if Semirhage was sacrificed or not. Either way the Semirhage quote set up tGS 6 books later. I think that is pretty impressive. Maybe RJ wanted to mislead us by that quote or maybe he wanted it to be a hint about the DOs true involvement. Semirhage believed that the DO betrayed her and the end result of the exchange seems to me to be in the DOs favor even if he didn't plan it that way. I agree also with what you are saying as well, though.

To me there is not enough evidence to figure out what the DOs involvement is. Hopefully, we will get a Moridin PoV or some other evidence to answer this question.

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foreshadowing of Semirhage's death RabidWombat - 25/07/2010 07:13:48 AM 1578 Views
I don't think that Semirhage was sacrificed Etzel - 25/07/2010 08:36:47 AM 790 Views
No, too tired to give reasons... *NM* Kieran - 25/07/2010 09:30:46 AM 240 Views
Re: No, too tired to give reasons... *NM* BlackAdder - 26/07/2010 01:19:26 AM 247 Views
I disagree about the TP aspect darius_sedai - 25/07/2010 03:30:37 PM 698 Views
Re: I disagree about the TP aspect Datakim - 25/07/2010 04:03:45 PM 690 Views
It's an interesting theory in either direction darius_sedai - 25/07/2010 04:54:31 PM 631 Views
Re: It's an interesting theory in either direction Datakim - 26/07/2010 02:17:35 AM 492 Views
BS said "there will be consequences from Rand's True Power use." Etzel - 26/07/2010 09:24:26 AM 511 Views
Re: BS said "there will be consequences from Rand's True Power use." DomA - 27/07/2010 03:48:32 AM 530 Views
Re: BS said "there will be consequences from Rand's True Power use." Datakim - 27/07/2010 04:18:34 AM 484 Views
You can't expect BS to give away things with 2 books to go. redhand - 26/07/2010 01:48:37 AM 562 Views
Re: You can't expect BS to give away things with 2 books to go. Datakim - 26/07/2010 02:24:29 AM 514 Views
Re: I disagree about the TP aspect BlackAdder - 26/07/2010 01:22:30 AM 526 Views
Re: I disagree about the TP aspect Datakim - 26/07/2010 02:30:11 AM 503 Views
^^^what Datakim said^^^ darius_sedai - 26/07/2010 06:58:02 PM 522 Views
I don't know if Semirhage was sacrificed or not. Either way the Semirhage quote set up tGS 6 books RabidWombat - 26/07/2010 02:29:59 AM 582 Views
You were right the first time DomA - 26/07/2010 03:02:22 AM 628 Views
I think the question is... Etzel - 26/07/2010 08:27:17 AM 544 Views
Re: I think the question is... DomA - 27/07/2010 12:43:44 AM 527 Views
Re: I think the question is... Datakim - 27/07/2010 01:15:29 AM 545 Views
Re: I think the question is... DomA - 27/07/2010 02:10:41 AM 518 Views
Re: I think the question is... Datakim - 27/07/2010 03:17:01 AM 588 Views
Re: I think the question is... DomA - 27/07/2010 05:08:59 AM 588 Views
Re: I think the question is... Datakim - 27/07/2010 05:59:37 PM 545 Views
I'd say that there was a pre-meditated plan or backup plan to sacrifice Semirhage Matrimony Cauthon - 26/07/2010 09:02:44 AM 578 Views
I think SH simply didn't care about the CK access key Etzel - 26/07/2010 09:17:11 AM 509 Views
Re: I think SH simply didn't care about the CK access key Datakim - 26/07/2010 12:10:43 PM 499 Views
Re: I think SH simply didn't care about the CK access key Lord Haart - 26/07/2010 12:27:11 PM 583 Views
But if this was the plan... Etzel - 26/07/2010 12:30:37 PM 503 Views
Moridin and SH knew that the CK could never defeat the dark one so they were happy to leave it Matrimony Cauthon - 26/07/2010 05:56:56 PM 563 Views
Unlikely, and stupid if true Sidious - 26/07/2010 06:12:30 PM 509 Views
That wasn't the Choedan Kal, that was Shadar Logoth. Fanatic-Templar - 27/07/2010 12:11:46 AM 467 Views
Re: That wasn't the Choedan Kal, that was Shadar Logoth. Datakim - 27/07/2010 01:29:29 AM 496 Views
I fail to see the relevance. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 27/07/2010 02:06:27 AM 226 Views
the relevance is that it was impossible without the CK Sidious - 27/07/2010 05:25:45 AM 442 Views
Are you certain? Fanatic-Templar - 27/07/2010 05:37:28 AM 492 Views
Re: Are you certain? Sidious - 27/07/2010 03:00:51 PM 513 Views
Re: Are you certain? Datakim - 27/07/2010 06:17:59 PM 487 Views
key word is "necessary" *NM* Japhy - 27/07/2010 05:14:19 AM 209 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true Datakim - 27/07/2010 01:36:53 AM 460 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true DomA - 27/07/2010 02:19:22 AM 498 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true Datakim - 27/07/2010 02:43:39 AM 516 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true DomA - 27/07/2010 03:17:49 AM 520 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true Datakim - 27/07/2010 03:39:07 AM 510 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true DomA - 27/07/2010 04:26:31 AM 523 Views
Something still doesn't make sense in that theory though Matrimony Cauthon - 27/07/2010 07:15:22 AM 573 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true DomA - 27/07/2010 01:44:19 AM 550 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true Sidious - 27/07/2010 05:31:03 AM 472 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true Matrimony Cauthon - 27/07/2010 03:53:20 PM 508 Views
??? The CK in the hands of a madman is exactly what the Dark One needs to destroy the pattern Matrimony Cauthon - 27/07/2010 07:01:13 AM 514 Views
So why not give it to Moridin then? Sidious - 27/07/2010 10:54:47 AM 512 Views
If their plan of taking Rand to Shayol Ghul suceeded then the CK was no longer needed Matrimony Cauthon - 27/07/2010 03:39:58 PM 502 Views
Could be simple. How do you find an object that "lies hidden"? Mik - 27/07/2010 04:17:35 PM 480 Views
It could be, but I would still think they would have noticed the CK sitting next to the male a'dam Matrimony Cauthon - 27/07/2010 04:34:45 PM 473 Views
Not if Moridin sensed it, instead of seeing it. Mik - 27/07/2010 08:12:25 PM 483 Views
Re: I think SH simply didn't care about the CK access key DomA - 27/07/2010 12:10:01 AM 468 Views
This has been seen and commented before, by myself and others. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 26/07/2010 03:36:51 PM 477 Views
Sorry I missed them. I would have been happy enough to comment there. RabidWombat - 27/07/2010 03:43:46 AM 487 Views
Considering there are years and years worth of comments... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/07/2010 02:49:42 PM 456 Views
Hands up if you don't believe in foreshadowing in this series Sidious - 26/07/2010 04:27:14 PM 505 Views
Re: Hands up if you don't believe in foreshadowing in this series HyogaRott - 26/07/2010 10:34:18 PM 462 Views
Prophesying, but not foreshadowing. TaskmasterJack - 27/07/2010 12:06:06 AM 434 Views
You confuse foreshadowing and predictability DomA - 27/07/2010 02:57:15 AM 798 Views
I agree with DomA *NM* *NM* RabidWombat - 27/07/2010 03:44:51 AM 222 Views
That last line had me laughing! (right on the money too, by the way) *NM* Mik - 27/07/2010 02:58:20 PM 211 Views
I don't believe in foreshadowing that you can figure out from the actual plot. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/07/2010 08:42:11 PM 472 Views
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