It's an interesting theory in either direction
darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 25/07/2010 04:54:31 PM
The more I think about it the less I believe it is possible for the TP to be accessed through the link without the DO allowing it. Sure the link may have enabled the situation, but the DO could have shut Rand down pretty easily if he'd wanted too. The TP is essence of the DO so I have a hard time believing Rand could have used it without him immediately knowing what was up.
BS:
Matt: There was some confusion about Rand and the Dark One’s permission, so for clarification’s sake, did Rand have the Dark One’s permission to use the True Power?
Brandon: I have not answered that. If anyone says that I have, I have not. What I have said specifically is, this is recording: generally one must have the Dark One’s permission to use the True Power. Semirhage believed that the Dark One had betrayed her by letting Rand use it. It is good that you have asked this so I can make sure on the record that is the answer I have given.
This quote from BS makes it pretty clear that while "generally" what you say is true, there are apparently some rare/obscure exceptions where TP can be used even without permission from the DO. I think the idea with the theory that Rand used TP without permission is that his link with Moridin allowed him to "steal" TP from the DO using Moridin as a TP-angreal, and this is what BS had in mind when he answered this question.
Basically, from the POV of the Dark One, it was Moridin who channeled TP so the DO did not realise what was happening until it was too late. If true this would ofcourse mean that by cutting Moridin off from TP would also cut off Rand so its not really a true way of using TP withour permission, it just means that so long as one of the two (Rand or Moridin) has permission, then that permission is automatically given to the other too whether the DO likes it or not.
So the DO could prevent Rand from using TP, but if he did he would basically lose Moridin, since as addicted to TP as Moridin is, cutting him off would most likely end up killing him sooner or later.
Personally I think the DO simply took advantage of the situation and sacrificed Semirhage when he realized he had an opportunity to get Rand addicted to the TP. As the quote in the original post points out the goal was to capture and TURN your opponents piece, sacrificing your own pieces in order to achieve it.
Yep. This is the other theory. I think at this point both theories could be true. I am looking forward to finding out which one actually is.
IMO it's obvious that the DO could have prevented Rand from using the TP to escape Semirhage by the simple expedient of cutting Moridin off. Nothing to say he wouldn't later restore Moridin's access. That's why I tend to think the DO wanted Rand to use the TP and become addicted.
I certainly hope we hear more about it later!
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foreshadowing of Semirhage's death
25/07/2010 07:13:48 AM
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I don't think that Semirhage was sacrificed
25/07/2010 08:36:47 AM
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I disagree about the TP aspect
25/07/2010 03:30:37 PM
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Re: I disagree about the TP aspect
25/07/2010 04:03:45 PM
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It's an interesting theory in either direction
25/07/2010 04:54:31 PM
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Re: It's an interesting theory in either direction
26/07/2010 02:17:35 AM
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BS said "there will be consequences from Rand's True Power use."
26/07/2010 09:24:26 AM
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Re: BS said "there will be consequences from Rand's True Power use."
27/07/2010 03:48:32 AM
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Re: BS said "there will be consequences from Rand's True Power use."
27/07/2010 04:18:34 AM
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Re: I disagree about the TP aspect
26/07/2010 01:22:30 AM
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I don't know if Semirhage was sacrificed or not. Either way the Semirhage quote set up tGS 6 books
26/07/2010 02:29:59 AM
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You were right the first time
26/07/2010 03:02:22 AM
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I think the question is...
26/07/2010 08:27:17 AM
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Re: I think the question is...
27/07/2010 12:43:44 AM
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Re: I think the question is...
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27/07/2010 02:10:41 AM
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Re: I think the question is...
27/07/2010 03:17:01 AM
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I'd say that there was a pre-meditated plan or backup plan to sacrifice Semirhage
26/07/2010 09:02:44 AM
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I think SH simply didn't care about the CK access key
26/07/2010 09:17:11 AM
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Moridin and SH knew that the CK could never defeat the dark one so they were happy to leave it
26/07/2010 05:56:56 PM
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Unlikely, and stupid if true
26/07/2010 06:12:30 PM
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That wasn't the Choedan Kal, that was Shadar Logoth.
27/07/2010 12:11:46 AM
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Re: That wasn't the Choedan Kal, that was Shadar Logoth.
27/07/2010 01:29:29 AM
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I fail to see the relevance. *NM*
27/07/2010 02:06:27 AM
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the relevance is that it was impossible without the CK
27/07/2010 05:25:45 AM
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Are you certain?
27/07/2010 05:37:28 AM
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Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true
27/07/2010 01:36:53 AM
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Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true
27/07/2010 02:19:22 AM
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Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true
27/07/2010 02:43:39 AM
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Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true
27/07/2010 03:17:49 AM
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Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true
27/07/2010 01:44:19 AM
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??? The CK in the hands of a madman is exactly what the Dark One needs to destroy the pattern
27/07/2010 07:01:13 AM
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So why not give it to Moridin then?
27/07/2010 10:54:47 AM
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If their plan of taking Rand to Shayol Ghul suceeded then the CK was no longer needed
27/07/2010 03:39:58 PM
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Could be simple. How do you find an object that "lies hidden"?
27/07/2010 04:17:35 PM
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It could be, but I would still think they would have noticed the CK sitting next to the male a'dam
27/07/2010 04:34:45 PM
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This has been seen and commented before, by myself and others.
26/07/2010 03:36:51 PM
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Sorry I missed them. I would have been happy enough to comment there.
27/07/2010 03:43:46 AM
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Hands up if you don't believe in foreshadowing in this series
26/07/2010 04:27:14 PM
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Re: Hands up if you don't believe in foreshadowing in this series
26/07/2010 10:34:18 PM
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You confuse foreshadowing and predictability
27/07/2010 02:57:15 AM
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That last line had me laughing! (right on the money too, by the way) *NM*
27/07/2010 02:58:20 PM
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I don't believe in foreshadowing that you can figure out from the actual plot.
27/07/2010 08:42:11 PM
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