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Fortuona Comet Sedai Send a noteboard - 22/07/2010 03:36:51 AM

Thoughts?


Am I the last to get this link? Quoting the prophecies:
"Fortune rides like the sun on high with the fox that makes the ravens fly."

So, um, do you suppose RJ always meant, from way back in The Great Hunt, when Tuon's name is first mentioned, that when she became Empress she'd take the name Fortuona, as in Fortune rides with Mr. Fox Medallion? Tuon = Lady Luck? Anyway, I like the line.

As for Tuon, I like her somewhat more since the scene between her and Beslan. She proved a fair, and remarkably just ruler in that scene. Before that, I'll admit that I was so disgusted with the slavery aspects of Seanchan culture (forget damane, which is almost understandable, given the Seanchan people's experiences with Aes Sedai; but the whole da'covale thing...removing all sense of dignity from people, and convincing the average servant that suicide is the only response when their 'owner' dies...that is a lot harder for me to swallow) that I had a hard time separating my dislike for Seanchan from any other feelings towards Tuon.

Her treatment of Mat was as arrogant and annoying as most other women in the book (and I'm no great fan of Mat, although I do like the character, but what a nightmare she's been), so that didn't win any favorable marks in my book either, but then again, it just made her typical.

However, upon later reflection, following reading the Beslan scene, a critical, short piece of dialog between Mat and Thom made me begin to reexamine her character. In KOD, Tuon insists on going to the hell, and Thom suggests Mat take her to an inn. Mat thinks she'll never fall for it, but Thom sagely suggests that she's a lot more sheltered than Mat realizes, for all her stern magistrate exterior. Like someone said above, she never had a childhod. The concept of love between Empress and husband is foreign. She's all about duty. She is nothing if not pious, and she is as stern and strict with herself as she is with others (wearing the veil because she feels she shamed herself in how she reacted to Lydia's foretelling). So, in that sense, she is a woman of honest, deep conviction. Perhaps some of her convictions are way, way off, but she doesn't change her mind to suit alien societies' whims. She aims to be as eternal and devoted as the Empire itself, and forget about political correctness.

Frankly, I both admire the character for her strength of conviction (it helped her not only withstand Semirhage and Rand, but also bring some semblance of order back to Randland), and pity her for it. Despite withstanding Semirhage and establishing some local order, she has simultaneously played very neatly into the Shadow's hands in terms of sowing chaos and battle, thanks to her blind devotion to her belief in the purity of her people's prophecies.

Tuon the person was dead before she ever really lived. As others have said, I guess that's what Mat brings her--a sense of personhood/Tuonhood separate from Fortuona the Empress. I hope she continues to become more human.


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This message last edited by Comet Sedai on 22/07/2010 at 03:37:44 AM
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Character discussion 10 : Tuon - 18/07/2010 06:08:30 PM 1914 Views
Most annoying, unlikeable, incomprehensible, irredeemable character in the books. - 18/07/2010 06:44:14 PM 1093 Views
I disprove your argument with one word. Coincidentally, it is a character. - 18/07/2010 07:50:17 PM 909 Views
Bah. - 18/07/2010 11:51:48 PM 911 Views
Actually, I like both of them. - 19/07/2010 06:41:12 AM 825 Views
Re: Actually, I like both of them. - 21/07/2010 01:22:21 PM 768 Views
I really like Tuon. - 18/07/2010 07:45:11 PM 1002 Views
Re: I really like Tuon. - 18/07/2010 07:56:22 PM 951 Views
I guess I should have said she and Egwene share positive personality traits - 18/07/2010 09:01:50 PM 929 Views
Agreed. - 18/07/2010 09:11:19 PM 827 Views
Re: I really like Tuon. - 18/07/2010 11:53:37 PM 887 Views
well said *NM* - 19/07/2010 01:39:46 AM 407 Views
Re: I really like Tuon. - 19/07/2010 03:34:42 AM 846 Views
I disagree. *NM* - 19/07/2010 08:04:45 AM 380 Views
Brandon said it was her mental toughness... - 20/07/2010 06:34:18 AM 772 Views
Cool character but has major flaws - 19/07/2010 06:22:15 AM 867 Views
The a'dam and the 3 Oaths are a lot alike. - 20/07/2010 01:01:49 AM 939 Views
Re: The a'dam and the 3 Oaths are a lot alike. - 21/07/2010 02:22:26 PM 672 Views
Also... - 22/07/2010 08:39:48 PM 822 Views
Re: Also... - 22/07/2010 09:19:37 PM 694 Views
Re: "She is a better ruler than most". Really? Can you provide the examples? - 19/07/2010 06:58:46 PM 838 Views
Re: "She is a better ruler than most". Really? Can you provide the examples? - 20/07/2010 12:39:15 AM 820 Views
Yeah, What he said ^^ and... - 20/07/2010 01:05:49 AM 794 Views
Need better examples... - 20/07/2010 05:20:48 AM 739 Views
Re: "She is a better ruler than most". Really? Can you provide the examples? - 20/07/2010 03:59:30 PM 782 Views
You meant to say Graendal used Arad Doman as her base & destroyed it, right? - 20/07/2010 04:14:41 PM 888 Views
Yes. - 20/07/2010 05:17:32 PM 792 Views
There are plenty of examples - 20/07/2010 08:59:19 PM 953 Views
Re: There are plenty of examples - 21/07/2010 02:21:01 PM 689 Views
Tuon carries out enlightened absolutism, then - 22/07/2010 11:24:22 AM 872 Views
Re: Tuon carries out enlightened absolutism, then - 22/07/2010 03:32:54 PM 665 Views
The Seanchen as a whole are better rulers - 21/07/2010 04:21:09 AM 744 Views
Does Tuon know sul'dam can channel or not? - 18/07/2010 10:56:40 PM 835 Views
Answered my own question = Yes. - 18/07/2010 11:00:09 PM 811 Views
one of my favorite characters - 19/07/2010 01:38:53 AM 770 Views
Like her - 19/07/2010 07:00:01 AM 834 Views
A horrible woman - 19/07/2010 07:02:45 AM 910 Views
Re: A horrible woman - 19/07/2010 08:39:05 AM 830 Views
on this we agree - 19/07/2010 07:56:31 PM 855 Views
Re: on this we agree - 20/07/2010 01:04:07 AM 822 Views
Re: A horrible woman indeed! - 20/07/2010 01:17:18 AM 705 Views
Re: A horrible woman - 21/07/2010 04:19:24 PM 731 Views
I think she has the most potential for evil - 19/07/2010 03:24:28 PM 804 Views
Re: I think she has the most potential for evil - 21/07/2010 04:27:45 PM 699 Views
Re: I think she has the most potential for evil - 22/07/2010 07:54:24 PM 629 Views
Don't like her at all - 19/07/2010 06:38:05 PM 715 Views
I like her! As a character - 20/07/2010 01:46:09 AM 773 Views
One of Jordan's better done characters... - 20/07/2010 04:56:36 AM 785 Views
Tuon and omens plus other thoughts. - 20/07/2010 05:20:26 AM 739 Views
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One thing among many that really bothered me about Tuon - 21/07/2010 08:07:57 AM 766 Views
She would have been killed - 21/07/2010 08:43:44 AM 796 Views
Yup, she had no choice there. - 21/07/2010 04:31:13 PM 716 Views
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