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One of Jordan's better done characters... fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 20/07/2010 04:56:36 AM
I think Tuon is a competent ruler of her people, not given to megalomania, and not a dolt.

I even understand where she is coming from, but even apart from her willful blindness on the damane issue (which is at least understandable), she is hardly likeable. She grew up in a closed environment where all that existed for her was the struggle to be named heir and doing her duty to her people.

The result is a young woman who has never had time to think of herself as a person, as anything other than the Daughter of the Nine Moons.

Unlike Elayne, who didn't have to have her brothers killed and face total separation from her mother, Tuon has never had a childhood at all, and that shows.

She is, for example, quite kind on occasions, even understanding and open-minded (with Mistress Anan, especially). She isn't monstrous, not the kind who takes pleasure in her power. But she she does all these things because in her mind, she is a good ruler, who will be a good Empress. There is, in her mind, no dichotomy between Tuon the woman and Tuon the Empress, whereas up to tGS, at least, Egwene retains that part of her that is not Amyrlin, for an example of what Tuon lacks.

This means Tuon is the kind of person who can make people respect her, even follow her loyally. But only those who saw her as a little kid love her and can be her friends.

Egwene is headed that way too. I don't think she can ever make any more new friends. Gain new followers, yes. Make women like Saerin trust her and follow her lead? Yes. Gain a close working partner in a woman like Silviana? Again, yes. But the part of her that was playful, childish She isn't as forbidding as Tuon, of course, and has a better sense of humor and is definitely more charming than Tuon. But those are the very qualities leadership is leaching out of her, though she does seem to realize that she shouldn't ever give them up.

Jordan seems to be making a statement here. Leadership, at an early age, seems to take something out of people (with Elayne being the obvious example of a case where this isn't true at all). The question is, how grounded will these women remain? Egwene is far from hopeless.

With Tuon, her only hope is Mat. Jordan did a great job there pairing them up. Mat is the obvious foil for her, the irreverent lout to her stern judge. Mat, who has the most well adjusted attitude to leadership (because he never considered the issue, never felt it to be that great a burden). I think that was the part the sequels would have expanded on. How Mat makes Tuon "cool".

But certainly, for a character who was only introduced in book 9, Tuon has been very well drawn. Kudos to Jordan for that.
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Character discussion 10 : Tuon - 18/07/2010 06:08:30 PM 2172 Views
Most annoying, unlikeable, incomprehensible, irredeemable character in the books. - 18/07/2010 06:44:14 PM 1358 Views
I disprove your argument with one word. Coincidentally, it is a character. - 18/07/2010 07:50:17 PM 1150 Views
Bah. - 18/07/2010 11:51:48 PM 1155 Views
Actually, I like both of them. - 19/07/2010 06:41:12 AM 1082 Views
Re: Actually, I like both of them. - 21/07/2010 01:22:21 PM 1001 Views
I really like Tuon. - 18/07/2010 07:45:11 PM 1264 Views
Re: I really like Tuon. - 18/07/2010 07:56:22 PM 1174 Views
I guess I should have said she and Egwene share positive personality traits - 18/07/2010 09:01:50 PM 1178 Views
Agreed. - 18/07/2010 09:11:19 PM 1086 Views
Re: I really like Tuon. - 18/07/2010 11:53:37 PM 1144 Views
well said *NM* - 19/07/2010 01:39:46 AM 520 Views
Re: I really like Tuon. - 19/07/2010 03:34:42 AM 1110 Views
I disagree. *NM* - 19/07/2010 08:04:45 AM 504 Views
Brandon said it was her mental toughness... - 20/07/2010 06:34:18 AM 1008 Views
Cool character but has major flaws - 19/07/2010 06:22:15 AM 1118 Views
The a'dam and the 3 Oaths are a lot alike. - 20/07/2010 01:01:49 AM 1250 Views
Re: The a'dam and the 3 Oaths are a lot alike. - 21/07/2010 02:22:26 PM 952 Views
Also... - 22/07/2010 08:39:48 PM 1085 Views
Re: Also... - 22/07/2010 09:19:37 PM 951 Views
Re: "She is a better ruler than most". Really? Can you provide the examples? - 19/07/2010 06:58:46 PM 1079 Views
Re: "She is a better ruler than most". Really? Can you provide the examples? - 20/07/2010 12:39:15 AM 1076 Views
Yeah, What he said ^^ and... - 20/07/2010 01:05:49 AM 1042 Views
Need better examples... - 20/07/2010 05:20:48 AM 1006 Views
Re: "She is a better ruler than most". Really? Can you provide the examples? - 20/07/2010 03:59:30 PM 1034 Views
You meant to say Graendal used Arad Doman as her base & destroyed it, right? - 20/07/2010 04:14:41 PM 1144 Views
Yes. - 20/07/2010 05:17:32 PM 1020 Views
There are plenty of examples - 20/07/2010 08:59:19 PM 1182 Views
Re: There are plenty of examples - 21/07/2010 02:21:01 PM 958 Views
Tuon carries out enlightened absolutism, then - 22/07/2010 11:24:22 AM 1101 Views
Re: Tuon carries out enlightened absolutism, then - 22/07/2010 03:32:54 PM 908 Views
The Seanchen as a whole are better rulers - 21/07/2010 04:21:09 AM 978 Views
Does Tuon know sul'dam can channel or not? - 18/07/2010 10:56:40 PM 1078 Views
Answered my own question = Yes. - 18/07/2010 11:00:09 PM 1077 Views
one of my favorite characters - 19/07/2010 01:38:53 AM 1029 Views
Like her - 19/07/2010 07:00:01 AM 1094 Views
A horrible woman - 19/07/2010 07:02:45 AM 1162 Views
Re: A horrible woman - 19/07/2010 08:39:05 AM 1103 Views
on this we agree - 19/07/2010 07:56:31 PM 1104 Views
Re: on this we agree - 20/07/2010 01:04:07 AM 1025 Views
Re: A horrible woman indeed! - 20/07/2010 01:17:18 AM 956 Views
Re: A horrible woman - 21/07/2010 04:19:24 PM 961 Views
I think she has the most potential for evil - 19/07/2010 03:24:28 PM 1052 Views
Re: I think she has the most potential for evil - 21/07/2010 04:27:45 PM 945 Views
Re: I think she has the most potential for evil - 22/07/2010 07:54:24 PM 881 Views
Don't like her at all - 19/07/2010 06:38:05 PM 1015 Views
I like her! As a character - 20/07/2010 01:46:09 AM 1029 Views
One of Jordan's better done characters... - 20/07/2010 04:56:36 AM 1058 Views
Tuon and omens plus other thoughts. - 20/07/2010 05:20:26 AM 955 Views
On that note, I think she is a bit uncanny because she sometimes seems a bit insane - 20/07/2010 03:52:58 PM 988 Views
One thing among many that really bothered me about Tuon - 21/07/2010 08:07:57 AM 1008 Views
She would have been killed - 21/07/2010 08:43:44 AM 1037 Views
Yup, she had no choice there. - 21/07/2010 04:31:13 PM 945 Views
Fortuona - 22/07/2010 03:36:51 AM 1432 Views

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