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But we never... Etzel Send a noteboard - 15/07/2010 09:17:30 AM
Such a flashback device with a dead character never happened in the books before. It's the same as stating that it is likely that Semirhage, Elza, the BA in Caemlyn or any other dead characters will yet get a revealing scene in ToM where they chat about something. Completely absurd and also contrary to what BS said on this topic.

If there will be more info about Graendal it will come in the PoV from other characters, like fellow Forsaken or SH (or BS will reveal in in a Q&A). That is the way it is always done in the series, if a character died, and just makes the most sense.


Not with a dead character perhaps, but we did see a flashback of the battle at Dumai's wells from the POV of the Shaido, as they flee the attack of the Asha'man. We also have views of the Cleansing from the view of others as they sense the beacon of OP. It is not beyond reason that we might have a similar scene from Graendals POV.

This is especially true if Graendal turns up to have something to do with Perrins plotline (such as manipulating Masema via compulsion or something)


Have such a PoV from a character, who died in the previous book. Therefore it's highly unlikely that BS would suddenly do something like this.

One can't really understand why some people firmly believe that we will probably get such a scene from Graendal's PoV. It's like stating that we will likely get a Elza PoV in ToM, where she has a chat with her Warder before her death to give as important informations. If infos about Elza would be such important and couldn't be included in TGS for some reason, we would rather get a PoV of her Warder in ToM, where he thinks about Elza and their past talk. This is less confusing than bringing a dead character back and could actually advance the plot without jumping back in the timeline. The other way is unnecessarily more complicated.
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Chat with Brandon posted on Dragonmount Skeeve the Great - 12/07/2010 04:23:24 PM 1970 Views
This... Etzel - 12/07/2010 04:54:28 PM 1098 Views
how do you get there from this? darius_sedai - 12/07/2010 05:47:42 PM 957 Views
Right. There could easily be a scene like this: beetnemesis - 12/07/2010 06:22:45 PM 887 Views
Because... Etzel - 12/07/2010 10:40:29 PM 914 Views
You're brilliant, Etzel, but Brandon is NOT robert jordan newyorkersedai - 13/07/2010 01:18:44 AM 860 Views
He said it won't be 100% flashback like book 10 Rurouni_Kenshin - 13/07/2010 05:30:18 AM 769 Views
But obviously not for the timelines, which are up to date. Etzel - 13/07/2010 08:41:37 AM 877 Views
the only reason you say this is because you think it makes Slayer darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 02:39:52 AM 854 Views
Re: the only reason you say this is because you think it makes Slayer dacole - 14/07/2010 04:54:16 AM 828 Views
Graendal is part of several plot lines. Aran'gar at the very least is unseen in TGS, but involved darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 02:40:09 PM 831 Views
No... Etzel - 14/07/2010 08:10:12 AM 763 Views
so it's not possible for anything that has never been done in the series to happen... ok darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 02:38:08 PM 729 Views
Again, there is no sensible reason for a scene where Graendal is shown again before her death. *NM* Etzel - 14/07/2010 04:47:21 PM 699 Views
sure there is ... to tell us she killed Asmo darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 04:56:09 PM 909 Views
Again... Etzel - 15/07/2010 08:57:34 AM 668 Views
or it could as easily be a scene from Aran'gar's POV that includes Graendal darius_sedai - 15/07/2010 01:36:21 PM 828 Views
The point is... Etzel - 15/07/2010 01:55:43 PM 755 Views
that is 100% your interpretation darius_sedai - 15/07/2010 02:51:49 PM 772 Views
Noal was involved with Ishy; a connection to Graendal is pure speculation. Etzel - 15/07/2010 03:19:38 PM 708 Views
I'm pointing out that she had more than just Rands plot line darius_sedai - 15/07/2010 03:59:36 PM 682 Views
As far as we know... Etzel - 15/07/2010 04:06:56 PM 736 Views
she also knows what Cyndane and Moghedien are up to and may be involved darius_sedai - 16/07/2010 01:58:36 PM 901 Views
There is nothing to support your view, that Graendal was directly involved in any other plotlines... Etzel - 16/07/2010 02:31:01 PM 660 Views
She doesn't have to be in order to make an appearance in them darius_sedai - 16/07/2010 03:26:44 PM 795 Views
We will see... *NM* Etzel - 16/07/2010 03:36:21 PM 988 Views
Indeed Sidious - 13/07/2010 08:49:43 AM 698 Views
The "flashbacks" are obviously related to those characters, which aren't up to date yet... Etzel - 13/07/2010 09:14:04 AM 908 Views
give up Eztel...they think they know Asmodens killer...we know they are wrong dacole - 13/07/2010 09:45:15 AM 804 Views
I agree regarding Graendal, but have to disagree concerning Lanfear. *NM* Etzel - 13/07/2010 09:51:00 AM 947 Views
Re: The "flashbacks" are obviously related to those characters, which aren't up to date yet... Sidious - 13/07/2010 10:03:14 AM 835 Views
It's completely unlikely and unnecessary Etzel - 13/07/2010 10:25:36 AM 893 Views
you keep trotting this point out like it matters darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 09:07:36 PM 785 Views
a very irritating habit indeed!! Sidious - 15/07/2010 05:29:19 AM 882 Views
There is no indication that Graendal & Aran'gar did anything, except for exchanging infos! Etzel - 15/07/2010 09:01:58 AM 706 Views
where do you get this stuff from? darius_sedai - 15/07/2010 01:41:07 PM 921 Views
Eh, no Etzel - 15/07/2010 02:08:56 PM 777 Views
I disagree darius_sedai - 15/07/2010 02:56:02 PM 743 Views
Graendal actually tells that she learned interesting things from Aran'gar Etzel - 15/07/2010 03:14:54 PM 867 Views
pure interpretation darius_sedai - 15/07/2010 04:00:31 PM 802 Views
Well, it fits RJ's theme that the bad guys actually aren't that competent. *NM* Etzel - 15/07/2010 04:12:19 PM 864 Views
No really since it would make Aran'gar look pretty competent *NM* darius_sedai - 16/07/2010 03:27:40 PM 351 Views
Aran'gar just had the luck that Rand wasn't after her Etzel - 16/07/2010 03:34:53 PM 591 Views
Exchanging info is not doing nothing Sidious - 15/07/2010 06:54:17 PM 716 Views
Re: Exchanging info is not doing nothing Etzel - 15/07/2010 10:08:44 PM 765 Views
Re: Exchanging info is not doing nothing Sidious - 16/07/2010 05:30:25 AM 722 Views
IMO... Etzel - 16/07/2010 08:46:03 AM 660 Views
And... Etzel - 16/07/2010 11:35:44 AM 787 Views
you continue to ignore that Graendal died about 2 months after she darius_sedai - 16/07/2010 02:06:48 PM 799 Views
Usually the Forsaken meet in neutral TAR... Etzel - 16/07/2010 02:22:34 PM 856 Views
not really darius_sedai - 16/07/2010 03:58:57 PM 936 Views
Good, then we agree, if you consider it unlikely as well. *NM* Etzel - 16/07/2010 05:56:50 PM 910 Views
Trust me, Graendal won't be seen; only her name will be mentioned a few times (as BS said). *NM* Etzel - 15/07/2010 09:03:33 AM 794 Views
You should really just write it for BS since you clearly know exactly what's going to happen darius_sedai - 15/07/2010 02:57:59 PM 787 Views
Ok... Etzel - 15/07/2010 03:17:02 PM 699 Views
When did I say there would be a Graendal POV? darius_sedai - 15/07/2010 04:03:54 PM 788 Views
I also just said that... Etzel - 15/07/2010 04:10:32 PM 678 Views
Re: It's completely unlikely and unnecessary Datakim - 14/07/2010 10:10:48 PM 717 Views
But we never... Etzel - 15/07/2010 09:17:30 AM 778 Views
Re: But we never... Datakim - 15/07/2010 10:52:24 PM 742 Views
I think Etzel - 16/07/2010 09:30:46 AM 838 Views
Re: I think Datakim - 16/07/2010 04:37:20 PM 836 Views
Yeah, RAFO! I predigt however, that we won't have another Graendal PoV. *NM* Etzel - 16/07/2010 05:59:26 PM 764 Views
Etzel, you're making an assumption that might not be true. Logain - 16/07/2010 05:47:39 PM 871 Views
I admit the possibility, but consider it highly unlikely for the reasons I pointed out. *NM* Etzel - 16/07/2010 05:58:01 PM 837 Views
Because some people can't read... DomA - 14/07/2010 01:05:08 PM 856 Views
Re: Because some people can't read... darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 09:14:27 PM 661 Views
Re: Because some people can't read... Sidious - 15/07/2010 05:31:22 AM 683 Views
Rand used so much baelfire on her that he zapped them all back to the last 3rd Age darius_sedai - 15/07/2010 01:38:48 PM 920 Views
I wonder if their big role means Rand and Eg will get more chapters than first thought. *NM* RandAllThor - 12/07/2010 05:27:44 PM 817 Views
Yeah, seems so. *NM* Etzel - 13/07/2010 12:19:53 PM 783 Views
Brandon's "Mostly" answer makes it less likely we see the Land of Madmen as Demandred's base Logain - 12/07/2010 07:36:49 PM 935 Views
hrmm, not necessarily Kieran - 12/07/2010 09:28:00 PM 727 Views
I agree. *NM* Etzel - 13/07/2010 12:24:21 PM 384 Views
Uh... TaskmasterJack - 12/07/2010 10:10:08 PM 861 Views
or "can't" because ... Shishka - 12/07/2010 10:34:14 PM 728 Views
Re: or "can't" because ... TaskmasterJack - 13/07/2010 01:00:45 AM 770 Views
I think he isn't allowed to... Etzel - 13/07/2010 12:23:55 PM 860 Views
On a somewhat related note, Sanderson says ToM consists of 80 chapters as of now. Ginormous! RandAllThor - 13/07/2010 01:54:15 AM 721 Views
Perrin catch-up? Comet Sedai - 13/07/2010 02:55:22 AM 651 Views
We will get it on screen Deadsy - 13/07/2010 03:30:33 AM 732 Views
On Mat's "death" Etzel - 13/07/2010 12:34:35 PM 962 Views
Re: On Mat's "death" Datakim - 13/07/2010 02:23:19 PM 681 Views
This report was probably a misinterpretation Etzel - 14/07/2010 08:23:24 AM 789 Views
Re: This report was probably a misinterpretation Datakim - 14/07/2010 10:03:36 PM 824 Views
I emailed BS and he sent me copies of both the books he mentioned in the Q&A! Mats imaginary friend - 14/07/2010 08:32:58 PM 750 Views
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