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Sure. That's for RAND to win. For the Dark One to win, it is as simple as just killing Rand... Shannow Send a noteboard - 06/07/2010 09:58:30 PM

You don't have to be devine to write an incomprehensible (to humans) god. Just as you don't have to be an alien to write about aliens.

Fair enough, but RJ has often implied that the DO wants to get free.

Exactly. But that isn't a strategy Demandred will accept, which makes him a useless leader.

But we all know how trying to turn Rand is going to come back and bite the Shadow in the ass. If Ishamael had killed Rand initially...


But unleashing hell on the field alone wouldn't win the Dark One much. He wants someone who'll help him destroy creation. Demandred's certainly not the man for the job!

Not he doesn't. He wants someone who will free him and kill the Dragon. He can destroy Creation by himself. He doesn't need to tell Demandred anything. He can squash him like a bug after he's free from his prison.


There is this myth that the Dark One needs to turn Rand, or get Rand to make the wrong choice, or some such special event.

This is bogus. All the Dark One needs is to break free from his prison. Then he can spend all the time he wants on weakening the Pattern and shattering the Wheel. And by the sound of it, he won't need more than a few minutes after breaking free completely to do just that.

Rand's job is simple: Stop the Dark One from breaking free. All the other laughter and tears hogwash is irrelevant.


I also think it's as easy as the DO just wanting to be free. Spreading chaos weakens the Pattern and his prison and increases his powers in the world, but defeating the Light destroys his prison.

However, for Rand to defeat him may be more complex. Like DomA has suggested it may require a combination of channeling, ta'veren, singing and all sorts of funny 'pattern' things to seal the patch perfectly this time.


In other words, if he had just had Rand killed in EotW, then nothing would have prevented his eventual escape.

Thus, Demandred would have been the perfect Nae'blis given this goal.

To put it differently: For Rand to win, all kinds of complicated events may be required. But for the Dark One to win, all that is necessary is for Rand to die.
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Could Moridin be a false Nae'blis whom the DO wants to replace with Demandred? Sidious - 05/07/2010 05:11:43 PM 1289 Views
Not a chance... DomA - 05/07/2010 06:30:38 PM 918 Views
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Re: Assuming Verin is right Sidious - 06/07/2010 09:06:20 PM 579 Views
Exactly. The Dark One just needs to get free. Then he can break the Pattern at his leisure... Shannow - 06/07/2010 09:48:10 PM 598 Views
Well I agree and disagree Sidious - 06/07/2010 09:55:49 PM 571 Views
Sure. That's for RAND to win. For the Dark One to win, it is as simple as just killing Rand... Shannow - 06/07/2010 09:58:30 PM 523 Views
Says who? Fanatic-Templar - 06/07/2010 10:04:31 PM 588 Views
Because Rand is the only one who can stop him from breaking free. Shannow - 06/07/2010 10:05:52 PM 564 Views
There are many possibilities Sidious - 06/07/2010 10:17:10 PM 606 Views
Those are not all synonyms. Fanatic-Templar - 06/07/2010 10:24:08 PM 649 Views
He had a 100 years in the AoL... fionwe1987 - 07/07/2010 01:01:45 AM 590 Views
Sadly no. But it would have made for a more enthralling physical war... Shannow - 05/07/2010 06:54:11 PM 730 Views
Demandred? Fanatic-Templar - 06/07/2010 12:44:56 AM 620 Views
Moridin is to blame because he is a symbol of RJ's choice to make this a metaphysical war... Shannow - 06/07/2010 12:56:32 PM 620 Views
So... Fanatic-Templar - 06/07/2010 06:43:32 PM 513 Views
Agree with FT... fionwe1987 - 06/07/2010 08:11:10 PM 594 Views
I think metaphysics is more important Sidious - 06/07/2010 09:18:49 PM 641 Views
I think that's kind of the whole point darius_sedai - 06/07/2010 10:58:19 PM 563 Views
Disagree Kieran - 06/07/2010 01:01:08 AM 559 Views
Re: Sadly no. But it would have made for a more enthralling physical war... Demortae - 06/07/2010 02:31:31 AM 634 Views
Martin is nuts! The characters... CatherineSedai - 08/07/2010 07:55:22 AM 590 Views
That would be cool, but I don't see it. Seriana Sedai - 06/07/2010 06:31:18 AM 637 Views
Will be interesting to see... Etzel - 06/07/2010 07:19:41 AM 547 Views
Re: Will be interesting to see... Datakim - 06/07/2010 07:36:00 PM 518 Views
IMO, this idea is wrong... Etzel - 07/07/2010 07:42:48 AM 535 Views
Re: IMO, this idea is wrong... Datakim - 07/07/2010 07:25:46 PM 485 Views
I don't think so. But neither do I think Moridin is the true Nae'blis RugbyPlayingAshaman - 06/07/2010 02:25:47 PM 579 Views
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Re: I don't think so. But neither do I think Moridin is the true Nae'blis RugbyPlayingAshaman - 06/07/2010 08:03:12 PM 548 Views
Re: I don't think so. But neither do I think Moridin is the true Nae'blis Datakim - 06/07/2010 08:58:38 PM 1124 Views
Re: I don't think so. But neither do I think Moridin is the true Nae'blis RugbyPlayingAshaman - 06/07/2010 10:32:39 PM 662 Views
Re: I don't think so. But neither do I think Moridin is the true Nae'blis Datakim - 07/07/2010 06:03:46 AM 751 Views
Re: I don't think so. But neither do I think Moridin is the true Nae'blis RugbyPlayingAshaman - 07/07/2010 03:58:19 PM 632 Views
Re: I don't think so. But neither do I think Moridin is the true Nae'blis orius - 07/07/2010 06:30:33 AM 521 Views
I claimed long time ago that Demandred is an agent of Light Skeeve the Great - 07/07/2010 04:29:28 PM 616 Views
That would be awesome, and would impress me. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 07/07/2010 04:37:43 PM 483 Views
It would be awesome Skeeve the Great - 07/07/2010 06:05:58 PM 503 Views
But why would they expect someone to survive into the nhext Age? Fanatic-Templar - 07/07/2010 06:47:12 PM 877 Views
Re: But why would they expect someone to survive into the nhext Age? Skeeve the Great - 07/07/2010 08:04:21 PM 543 Views
Re: But why would they expect someone to survive into the nhext Age? Fanatic-Templar - 07/07/2010 11:38:40 PM 541 Views
Re: But why would they expect someone to survive into the nhext Age? Skeeve the Great - 08/07/2010 12:37:08 AM 513 Views
I used to think this was Graendal! *NM* fionwe1987 - 07/07/2010 06:53:41 PM 281 Views
Nah, we already got that twist....it was cool when Verin did it, but RJ wouldn't overuse the idea *NM* Demortae - 08/07/2010 01:15:46 AM 276 Views
That would make Demandred my new favourite character Sidious - 08/07/2010 10:15:41 AM 627 Views
Re: That would make Demandred my new favourite character Skeeve the Great - 08/07/2010 03:23:36 PM 563 Views
Re: That would make Demandred my new favourite character Sidious - 08/07/2010 08:41:28 PM 512 Views
Agree. Seriana Sedai - 09/07/2010 12:19:16 AM 452 Views
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