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Sadly no. But it would have made for a more enthralling physical war... Shannow Send a noteboard - 05/07/2010 06:54:11 PM

Moridin and Demandred have always been quite close as the highest members of the Shadow, and while Moridin has always been present and incomprehensible, Demandred appears to be absent while working his plans behind the scenes.

Ishamael has been visible from the beginning of the story. In the War of Power he was the leader of the Shadow and was defeated by LTT. In the 3rd Age he tried to convert Rand and ended up seriously wounded twice, and finally killed. The other Forsaken who died who failed were reincarnated with strict penalties usually in the form of servitude, though Moridin seemed to evade this despite his incompetence being no less than his peers'.

Is it possible that he's been duped by the DO? The point of making a false Nae'blis would be to bring the other Forsaken into line for the Last Battle, which Moridin apparently has done. He's undoubtedly insane, and his orders sometimes countermand themselves, so perhaps that's all he's good for. As an individual Forsaken, he's got almost nothing to show for it.

Demandred, on the other hand, could be the true Nae'blis. He was promised the title in LoC, but then Graendal insisted that she was too. However, hints about his prowess and the fact that he would be Dragon if not for LTT are strong hints that his role in the Final Battle could be monumental. It is also rather telling that the DO used Demandred to spread the LoC message to the other Forsaken, even though the concept is old to the Shadow.

As an alternative hypothesis, I would propose that Moridin is a pseudo Nae'blis whose only function has been to organize the highest levels of the Shadow. When the Last Battle is initiated the DO may kill Moridin and his conveniently linked uber-useless slaves in the form of Moghedien and Cyndane, and hand over the Shadow and the True Power to Demandred. Alternatively he may place Moridin under Demandred, who will attack the Light with the organized remaining Forsaken, as well as Demandred's organized armies that he's been rounding up for a few years.

Thoughts?


Now we'll have to settle for the symbolic war instead.

Unfortunately, Sanderson has hinted quite blatantly that Moridin is the Forsaken the Dark One trusts above all others. So although Demandred is more intelligent than Moridin, is strategically more gifted than Moridin, most probably has more One Power talents than Moridin and is even a better politician than Moridin, we'll have to settle with Moridin as the chief antagonist for the simple reason that, as DomA says, he is idealogically committed to the Dark One's vision.

In other words, he is the most loyal.

Demandred has going for him: Strategic vision, tactical flair, super intelligence, leadership gifts, military channeling abilities (like blocking gateways into a battle zone etc.), intuition (like figuring out Rand's plan at the Cleansing very quickly) etc. etc.

Moridin has going for him madness and resultant loyalty to the Dark One.

What I wouldn't have given for a chief villain with Tywin Lannister's ruthlessnes and strategic pragmatism. Demandred would have been such a villain.

Instead, we got Mellisandre as the chief villain. A raving, frothing at the mouth fanatical lunatic.

It doesn't create tension if you find out at the end of the series that every seemingly insane action of the enemy was actually a brilliant plan to spread chaos and weaken the pattern, in hindsight.

You need to see the enemy apparently succeeding DURING the series to build up a sense of despair and hopelessness on the part of the protagonists and to thus create tension for the reader.

Once the author has to start convincing people in interviews and blog posts that the Shadow really is winning and that the hero really is "reeling in the last round of a boxing match with one desperate punch left to win the match" then you know the tension hasn't been developed properly.

This is thanks to Moridin, the madman. RJ deliberately went down this path, but the result is that we end up laughing at the villains, rather than fearing them.

What an opportunity lost.
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Could Moridin be a false Nae'blis whom the DO wants to replace with Demandred? - 05/07/2010 05:11:43 PM 1288 Views
Not a chance... - 05/07/2010 06:30:38 PM 918 Views
I agree - 06/07/2010 04:44:30 AM 689 Views
What about winning? - 06/07/2010 09:24:11 AM 777 Views
Remember what Verin said? Don't analyse the DO with human values.. - 06/07/2010 10:20:37 AM 667 Views
Assuming Verin is right - 06/07/2010 08:09:02 PM 569 Views
Re: Assuming Verin is right - 06/07/2010 08:44:22 PM 560 Views
Re: Assuming Verin is right - 06/07/2010 09:06:20 PM 579 Views
Exactly. The Dark One just needs to get free. Then he can break the Pattern at his leisure... - 06/07/2010 09:48:10 PM 598 Views
Well I agree and disagree - 06/07/2010 09:55:49 PM 571 Views
Sure. That's for RAND to win. For the Dark One to win, it is as simple as just killing Rand... - 06/07/2010 09:58:30 PM 521 Views
Says who? - 06/07/2010 10:04:31 PM 587 Views
Because Rand is the only one who can stop him from breaking free. - 06/07/2010 10:05:52 PM 563 Views
There are many possibilities - 06/07/2010 10:17:10 PM 606 Views
Those are not all synonyms. - 06/07/2010 10:24:08 PM 649 Views
He had a 100 years in the AoL... - 07/07/2010 01:01:45 AM 588 Views
Sadly no. But it would have made for a more enthralling physical war... - 05/07/2010 06:54:11 PM 730 Views
Demandred? - 06/07/2010 12:44:56 AM 620 Views
Moridin is to blame because he is a symbol of RJ's choice to make this a metaphysical war... - 06/07/2010 12:56:32 PM 620 Views
So... - 06/07/2010 06:43:32 PM 513 Views
Agree with FT... - 06/07/2010 08:11:10 PM 594 Views
I think metaphysics is more important - 06/07/2010 09:18:49 PM 641 Views
I think that's kind of the whole point - 06/07/2010 10:58:19 PM 562 Views
Disagree - 06/07/2010 01:01:08 AM 558 Views
Martin is nuts! The characters... - 08/07/2010 07:55:22 AM 590 Views
That would be cool, but I don't see it. - 06/07/2010 06:31:18 AM 637 Views
Will be interesting to see... - 06/07/2010 07:19:41 AM 547 Views
Re: Will be interesting to see... - 06/07/2010 07:36:00 PM 517 Views
IMO, this idea is wrong... - 07/07/2010 07:42:48 AM 535 Views
Re: IMO, this idea is wrong... - 07/07/2010 07:25:46 PM 485 Views
I don't think so. But neither do I think Moridin is the true Nae'blis - 06/07/2010 02:25:47 PM 577 Views
Re: I don't think so. But neither do I think Moridin is the true Nae'blis - 06/07/2010 07:52:54 PM 717 Views
Re: I don't think so. But neither do I think Moridin is the true Nae'blis - 06/07/2010 08:03:12 PM 548 Views
Re: I don't think so. But neither do I think Moridin is the true Nae'blis - 06/07/2010 08:58:38 PM 1124 Views
Re: I don't think so. But neither do I think Moridin is the true Nae'blis - 06/07/2010 10:32:39 PM 662 Views
Re: I don't think so. But neither do I think Moridin is the true Nae'blis - 07/07/2010 06:03:46 AM 751 Views
Re: I don't think so. But neither do I think Moridin is the true Nae'blis - 07/07/2010 03:58:19 PM 632 Views
I claimed long time ago that Demandred is an agent of Light - 07/07/2010 04:29:28 PM 616 Views
That would be awesome, and would impress me. - 07/07/2010 04:37:43 PM 483 Views
It would be awesome - 07/07/2010 06:05:58 PM 503 Views
But why would they expect someone to survive into the nhext Age? - 07/07/2010 06:47:12 PM 876 Views
Re: But why would they expect someone to survive into the nhext Age? - 07/07/2010 08:04:21 PM 543 Views
Re: But why would they expect someone to survive into the nhext Age? - 07/07/2010 11:38:40 PM 540 Views
Re: But why would they expect someone to survive into the nhext Age? - 08/07/2010 12:37:08 AM 513 Views
I used to think this was Graendal! *NM* - 07/07/2010 06:53:41 PM 281 Views
That would make Demandred my new favourite character - 08/07/2010 10:15:41 AM 626 Views
Re: That would make Demandred my new favourite character - 08/07/2010 03:23:36 PM 563 Views
Re: That would make Demandred my new favourite character - 08/07/2010 08:41:28 PM 512 Views
Agree. - 09/07/2010 12:19:16 AM 452 Views

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