I assume that, during the nightmare, you do believe it's real. Again, I can't speak with any certainty, because I don't really remember any dream from after I was six, but I assume that the fear you felt was lingering from while you were dreaming, at which point you did believe it was real. Even though you now know that it wasn't, the fear lingers on from when you didn't.
Actually, no. I'm usually lucid in those dreams that I remember, so I'm fully aware of the fact that this is a dream. This is hardly true of everyone, but a lot of people report a surreal feeling when they dream.
Further, even if you believe that emotions are felt only if you believed the dream was real, my point about how you feel emotions while watching movies or reading books still stands.
Just because the Novice comes out crying doesn't mean she believes what she saw was real. Take Egwene's third test. She was certainly far more aware than is usual in the arches, yet she comes out deeply pissed that she had to leave Rand again. Though she knew the events weren't real, she felt very strong emotions about them.
Likewise, my argument was that the reason the girls are sobbing in their rooms together after the test indicates that they did believe it was real during the test.
But one doesn't follow the other. People feel emotions for lots of fake things. Also, take what are called "Dreams of absent-minded transgressions". These are documented and well studied examples of where a person dreams of something they want to prevent themselves from doing while awake. There are theories that these help overcome addictions. Not only does the person feel immediate guilt upon waking up, but what they feel from it drives them to alter conscious behavior. Which proves quite conclusively that believing in a dream has nothing to do with feeling emotions related to what you dream.
The opposite situation would be, for example, a haunted house. I've only ever seen one person afraid in a haunted house - and that was because there were spiderwebs and she was arachnophobic. You hear a lot of people scream, and see them jump, but that's not fear, that's surprise. You're already on edge because you know people are going to jump at you in tiny hallways where you can't clearly see what's going on, so when they do, you're already primed to react, and you do react. That's what they call a 'jump-scare', but it's not fear. People aren't afraid because they know it's fake. Only the surprise is real.
But that's an unfair example, at least in comparison to dreams. You don't enter a dream knowing its going to be fake. You figure it out as you go along. Things don't make sense, and hey presto, you know its a dream and start having fun.
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I think the Amayar are the stupidest people ever
30/06/2010 08:52:45 PM
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yeah, I despise fanatics of any type
30/06/2010 09:44:08 PM
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Can't agree with all of those.
30/06/2010 10:58:25 PM
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Yeah, I disagree too...
01/07/2010 02:28:13 AM
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Re: Yeah, I disagree too...
01/07/2010 03:20:30 AM
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I'm not sure.
01/07/2010 03:45:44 AM
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Difficult to say.
01/07/2010 05:09:46 AM
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Curse you, I had to go look up Nynaeve's Testing.
01/07/2010 06:20:06 PM
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Nope, still can't agree.
01/07/2010 06:40:25 PM
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I'm not going to argue that it's a good test
01/07/2010 08:51:31 PM
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Re: I'm not going to argue that it's a good test
01/07/2010 10:26:24 PM
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IMO, they do.
02/07/2010 12:22:41 AM
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Okay different angle,
02/07/2010 12:27:57 AM
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Re: Okay different angle,
03/07/2010 08:29:09 PM
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Re: Okay different angle,
03/07/2010 09:28:20 PM
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You really don't remember your dreams very often?
03/07/2010 11:41:57 PM
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Haven't since I was a wee little kid.
04/07/2010 12:54:11 AM
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Chipping in...
04/07/2010 01:11:26 AM
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Re: Chipping in...
04/07/2010 02:44:21 AM
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Re: Chipping in...
05/07/2010 09:16:51 AM
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You may be right.
05/07/2010 05:53:21 PM
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Fair enough
01/07/2010 08:53:05 AM
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Human beings have a pretty large capacity for "stupid" behavior
30/06/2010 09:47:27 PM
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I'm certain that RJ based it off of something in real life
30/06/2010 10:30:06 PM
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Perhaps.
30/06/2010 10:23:42 PM
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IMO that makes them even worse!
30/06/2010 10:33:03 PM
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Considering that their system of belief...
30/06/2010 11:55:12 PM
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But they could have played a part Singing, just like the Tinkers to which they're related may do *NM*
01/07/2010 09:08:46 AM
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Because their feeble ability to sing to crops would really come in handy.
01/07/2010 05:43:03 PM
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There are other SOngs than seed-singing.
01/07/2010 06:26:54 PM
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Even if there are. They've been lost. And humanity has lost that Talent.
01/07/2010 10:28:30 PM
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the Tinkers will at least make themselves useful as we saw in the BoEF
01/07/2010 03:49:08 PM
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to be fair, if I were an Amayar I would try to respawn as well *NM*
01/07/2010 04:29:02 AM
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You know...
01/07/2010 06:42:41 PM
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But something of you still contiunes on.
01/07/2010 10:30:12 PM
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Indeed
01/07/2010 10:37:03 PM
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None of the Forsaken will pay for their crimes?
01/07/2010 10:54:30 PM
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