Re: I'm not going to argue that it's a good test
Fanatic-Templar Send a noteboard - 01/07/2010 10:26:24 PM
...because I'm not so sure it is. I can see why they think that it's a good test, but I'm not sure it really works like that.
Nevertheless, upon a re-read, my opinion is that the participants are aware that it is a dream (though it appears to vary from candidate to candidate, because Nynaeve seemed much more lucid than Egwene). It seems to be more that they are aware that it is a fantasy, with a feeling or instinct trying to tell them that it is real. There is also the added attraction of something they really want, such as Nynaeve hunting down a Forsaken that IIRC she subconsciously blamed for Rand channeling, or living in idle luxury with the man of her dreams.
So IMO, the test is trying to convince them that it is real, and they want to believe that it is real, but they have to stay steadfast and resist temptation. It does seem that the test throws obligation and responsibility at them fairly often, but maybe that's because Nynaeve and Egwene are such responsible people, so it was easier to tempt them with it. *shrug*
Anyways, your original assertion that they are supposed to leave an intense crisis on a whim just doesn't sit right with me.
Nevertheless, upon a re-read, my opinion is that the participants are aware that it is a dream (though it appears to vary from candidate to candidate, because Nynaeve seemed much more lucid than Egwene). It seems to be more that they are aware that it is a fantasy, with a feeling or instinct trying to tell them that it is real. There is also the added attraction of something they really want, such as Nynaeve hunting down a Forsaken that IIRC she subconsciously blamed for Rand channeling, or living in idle luxury with the man of her dreams.
So IMO, the test is trying to convince them that it is real, and they want to believe that it is real, but they have to stay steadfast and resist temptation. It does seem that the test throws obligation and responsibility at them fairly often, but maybe that's because Nynaeve and Egwene are such responsible people, so it was easier to tempt them with it. *shrug*
Anyways, your original assertion that they are supposed to leave an intense crisis on a whim just doesn't sit right with me.
Well, if they're supposed to know it's fake, why don't they?
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I think the Amayar are the stupidest people ever
30/06/2010 08:52:45 PM
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yeah, I despise fanatics of any type
30/06/2010 09:44:08 PM
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Can't agree with all of those.
30/06/2010 10:58:25 PM
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Yeah, I disagree too...
01/07/2010 02:28:13 AM
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Re: Yeah, I disagree too...
01/07/2010 03:20:30 AM
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I'm not sure.
01/07/2010 03:45:44 AM
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Difficult to say.
01/07/2010 05:09:46 AM
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Curse you, I had to go look up Nynaeve's Testing.
01/07/2010 06:20:06 PM
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Nope, still can't agree.
01/07/2010 06:40:25 PM
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I'm not going to argue that it's a good test
01/07/2010 08:51:31 PM
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Re: I'm not going to argue that it's a good test
01/07/2010 10:26:24 PM
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IMO, they do.
02/07/2010 12:22:41 AM
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Okay different angle,
02/07/2010 12:27:57 AM
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Re: Okay different angle,
03/07/2010 08:29:09 PM
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Re: Okay different angle,
03/07/2010 09:28:20 PM
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You really don't remember your dreams very often?
03/07/2010 11:41:57 PM
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Haven't since I was a wee little kid.
04/07/2010 12:54:11 AM
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Chipping in...
04/07/2010 01:11:26 AM
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Re: Chipping in...
04/07/2010 02:44:21 AM
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Fair enough
01/07/2010 08:53:05 AM
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Human beings have a pretty large capacity for "stupid" behavior
30/06/2010 09:47:27 PM
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I'm certain that RJ based it off of something in real life
30/06/2010 10:30:06 PM
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Perhaps.
30/06/2010 10:23:42 PM
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IMO that makes them even worse!
30/06/2010 10:33:03 PM
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Considering that their system of belief...
30/06/2010 11:55:12 PM
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But they could have played a part Singing, just like the Tinkers to which they're related may do *NM*
01/07/2010 09:08:46 AM
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Because their feeble ability to sing to crops would really come in handy.
01/07/2010 05:43:03 PM
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There are other SOngs than seed-singing.
01/07/2010 06:26:54 PM
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Even if there are. They've been lost. And humanity has lost that Talent.
01/07/2010 10:28:30 PM
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the Tinkers will at least make themselves useful as we saw in the BoEF
01/07/2010 03:49:08 PM
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to be fair, if I were an Amayar I would try to respawn as well *NM*
01/07/2010 04:29:02 AM
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You know...
01/07/2010 06:42:41 PM
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But something of you still contiunes on.
01/07/2010 10:30:12 PM
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Indeed
01/07/2010 10:37:03 PM
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None of the Forsaken will pay for their crimes?
01/07/2010 10:54:30 PM
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