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Re: Elza didn't use the true power DomA Send a noteboard - 28/06/2010 01:53:32 PM
Cadsuane and the WO aren't the only ones who could deduce Cadsuane kept the domination band and where. She intended to test it eventually on an Asha'man, but still had to convince Rand to let her (she had made another attempt in chapter one). Her followers and probably pretty much everyone present at Semirhage's capture probably knew about that (it's when Cadsuane grabbed the objects...). Cadsuane had promised Rand it was safe.

Most importantly, notice that at the first meeting with Cadsuane upon their arrival, Bair and Sorilea already knew Cadsuane had male/female a'dam and took the initiative to ask her about that. Cadsuane wasn't in any way surprised that they knew. They knew she was the one keeping them. So, it wasn't a secret that Cadsuane had the DM.

Her hiding place wasn't quite "clever": in her room, in a trunk. Riiiight. No one would search her room first, no one would look in her trunk after trying her jewels box. Cadsuane sinned by overconfidence. She thinks she has everyone under control, and that inverted weaves can't be detected. She was wrong.

The other obvious fact: Cadsuane has not even wondered (nor Nynaeve, nor the WO) how the Shadow could find the DM. There was no hunt for the DF who led Elza/Semirhage to it, for the good reason everyone knew Elza needed no one telling her Cadsuane had the DM, and Cadsuane's hding place had been all too obvious to any BA in the group, and Elza/Semirhage just had to wait until Cadsuane was out of the building to steal it. Had Bair and Sorilea been the only ones to know, Cadsuane would have suspected them immediately.

We also know it's Shaidar Haran who made Elza steal the DB. It's probably him who could detect wards. Most likely he asked Elza in the first place where the a'dam taken from Semirhage were. Elza answered "probably in Cadsuane's room". SH made her search it, they found the warded trunk, and SH taught Elza how to unravel the ward (yes, she probably used the TP for that. SH couldn't do it itself because of limitations to its interaction with the physical world).


I really doubt Elza was allowed access to the true power. SH popped in on Graendel and she was actively channeling. When he showed up the source dissapeared and so did the weaves of compulsion she was using on cyndane and moghedien. He could have just used that power of his and walk into Caddy's room and open the trunk. The weaves probably just unraveled when he came near. Elza didn't use the TP. no way.


All good... except Brandon said Elza had to be taught rare weaves to do this herself, because Shaidar Haran is limited in how he can interact with the physical world. If Shaidar Haran did all the channelling involved himself, why did Brandon said Elza had to be taught rare weaves and that what SH did to her was very unpleasant?
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So, Is Bair a Darkfriend, or Sorilea? - 27/06/2010 09:19:22 AM 3671 Views
Maybe they found it with need? - 27/06/2010 11:28:44 AM 1001 Views
But Semirhage didn't find it. Elsa did, or SH. - 27/06/2010 01:18:52 PM 1290 Views
I brought up the potential for Sorilea in the past - 27/06/2010 03:02:51 PM 1116 Views
Another good point. - 29/06/2010 11:43:11 AM 1073 Views
A good point. - 29/06/2010 11:38:51 AM 865 Views
Re: But Semirhage didn't find it. Elsa did, or SH. - 29/06/2010 09:36:03 PM 1041 Views
yeah, Verin Compelled all the captive AS in the Aiel camp - 29/06/2010 09:41:33 PM 1129 Views
Would that work, I wonder? - 29/06/2010 11:24:42 AM 916 Views
Re: Maybe they found it with need? - 08/07/2010 07:18:04 AM 711 Views
What if it was Shadar Haran that found it? - 27/06/2010 05:01:52 PM 949 Views
It's possible, but not likely, IMHO. - 29/06/2010 11:46:08 AM 878 Views
Ĵust to point out the obvious... - 27/06/2010 05:58:55 PM 1047 Views
You really think Elza used the TP? - 28/06/2010 05:35:20 AM 826 Views
I think the chance of that is zero - 28/06/2010 07:56:10 AM 954 Views
Re: I think the chance of that is zero - 28/06/2010 01:48:10 PM 986 Views
Re: I think the chance of that is zero - 28/06/2010 06:50:57 PM 916 Views
I agree - 28/06/2010 10:10:04 PM 924 Views
Re: I think the chance of that is zero - 28/06/2010 11:17:19 PM 914 Views
I agree as well - 29/06/2010 09:20:10 AM 858 Views
Sensing the TP - 01/07/2010 07:12:26 AM 730 Views
Re: Sensing the TP - 01/07/2010 08:56:42 AM 699 Views
Physical limitations make sense, BUT...: - 29/06/2010 12:30:33 PM 884 Views
It seems... - 29/06/2010 01:30:17 PM 842 Views
Re: It seems... - 29/06/2010 06:45:19 PM 864 Views
Hmmm.... - 29/06/2010 07:08:30 PM 664 Views
Good points - 29/06/2010 08:16:43 PM 986 Views
That's a good observation - 29/06/2010 08:36:24 PM 858 Views
Yeah, that would make some sense! *NM* - 30/06/2010 09:59:07 AM 770 Views
Some thoughts - 30/06/2010 12:15:25 PM 747 Views
Elza didn't use the true power - 28/06/2010 05:42:29 AM 828 Views
Re: Elza didn't use the true power - 28/06/2010 01:53:32 PM 981 Views
It doesn't appear that anything else in her room was searched. - 29/06/2010 12:23:42 PM 801 Views
Re: It doesn't appear that anything else in her room was searched. - 29/06/2010 06:12:14 PM 907 Views
About use of the TP - 29/06/2010 08:59:47 PM 953 Views
UR WRONG - 27/06/2010 11:09:35 PM 844 Views
AM NOT111 - 29/06/2010 12:32:09 PM 668 Views
I tend to doubt that one of them is a DF - 29/06/2010 09:45:58 AM 744 Views
"Helping" can be a very subjective term. - 29/06/2010 12:37:09 PM 832 Views
Re: "Helping" can be a very subjective term. - 29/06/2010 06:31:11 PM 642 Views
I think it is Sorilea - 29/06/2010 06:40:49 PM 770 Views
Re: I think it is Sorilea - 29/06/2010 07:57:38 PM 841 Views
I like the Melaine theory, but a pregnant WO DF? RJ likes to punish his bad guys too much - 29/06/2010 08:31:01 PM 756 Views
I agree that seems a bit too nasty for RJ - 30/06/2010 08:43:00 AM 777 Views
Re: I like the Melaine theory, but a pregnant WO DF? RJ likes to punish his bad guys too much - 08/07/2010 02:20:32 PM 896 Views
you are likley correct - 08/07/2010 03:09:33 PM 767 Views
Yes, Ingtar - wrong guy lol (posting from work) - 30/06/2010 12:30:54 PM 851 Views

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