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Re: I always thought it was a coincidence DomA Send a noteboard - 18/06/2010 05:20:11 PM
I think that the Damodred/Demandred was a coincidence, and no more important than Lan/Lanfear or Be'lal/Bael.


I don't think Deman-dred, Damo-dred is a coincidence so much as a private joke from Jordan. We would understand the connection if we understood the meaning of the word "dred". Right now we can only guess the joke is about Laman/Barthanes more than it is about Moiraine... though maybe not: in the early series, Moiraine was damned sure she knew better than Rand what he had to do, and he should follow her leadership in everything. The joke may refer to that.

Lan/Lanfear is a coincidence, in the sense that I don't think there's an OT meaning involved. I'm pretty convinced La or Lan isn't a complete word for Daughter but a prefix/suffix/root, an abbreviated form in compounded words. So there's probably not relation between Lan in Lanfear and Lan as a complete word. Lan's name may very well be the contraction formed over time of another word too.

Lan wouldn't be the only one with a messed up name, though. We have a proven "Perrin daughter of Bara" already!
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Forsaken translations Sidious - 17/06/2010 09:16:36 AM 2191 Views
Yeah... Etzel - 17/06/2010 09:31:15 AM 1480 Views
Semirhage is named as "The Lady of Pain" in KoD, by Rand... Shannow - 17/06/2010 11:14:56 AM 1811 Views
You are right... Etzel - 17/06/2010 11:31:05 AM 1379 Views
Do Semirhage & Bel'al actually mean those things or are they other nicknames? Cannoli - 17/06/2010 11:38:18 AM 1225 Views
On Be'lal Etzel - 17/06/2010 11:42:31 AM 1156 Views
Nice ideas! Sidious - 17/06/2010 02:10:43 PM 1285 Views
The beauty of a re-read is that there are so many little gems I'd forgotten darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 02:48:19 PM 1063 Views
Re: The beauty of a re-read is that there are so many little gems I'd forgotten Sidious - 17/06/2010 04:43:48 PM 1184 Views
Gai'shain = those sworn to peace in battle Great Lord of Chaos - 17/06/2010 09:22:02 PM 1107 Views
Gaidin = Brother to Battle ... which is what I think the OP meant to use darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 09:32:20 PM 1057 Views
Presumably he meant "Dai Shan", or "Battle Lord", as he said. Fanatic-Templar - 17/06/2010 10:37:07 PM 1132 Views
or that *NM* darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 10:45:49 PM 653 Views
About Aginor Ishamael - 17/06/2010 12:50:04 PM 1428 Views
Great! Sidious - 17/06/2010 02:11:47 PM 1259 Views
Some Old Tongue translations sylph - 17/06/2010 01:34:18 PM 1156 Views
ah Thanks! *NM* Sidious - 17/06/2010 02:12:00 PM 667 Views
Good luck with that DomA - 17/06/2010 02:36:36 PM 1211 Views
Re: Good luck with that Cynewulf - 17/06/2010 03:24:52 PM 1039 Views
Very interesting! Sidious - 17/06/2010 08:34:36 PM 1121 Views
As always, KOuellette - 20/06/2010 02:25:07 PM 1055 Views
I always thought Lanfear probably translated to something closer to a Moon translation darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 02:43:04 PM 1336 Views
it's the other way around... DomA - 17/06/2010 02:58:33 PM 1111 Views
good point darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 03:13:17 PM 1105 Views
Re: good point DomA - 17/06/2010 04:05:50 PM 1167 Views
Not to mention she STILL hasn't earned a 3rd (or in 4th) name darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 04:16:57 PM 1142 Views
What about Cyndane Sidious - 17/06/2010 04:48:03 PM 1033 Views
It must be her favorite one, since it's the only one she actually earned *NM* darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 05:43:41 PM 577 Views
Well she earned Mierin *NM* Sidious - 17/06/2010 08:27:05 PM 730 Views
how so? I figured mom and dad gave that one too her *NM* darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 08:36:24 PM 608 Views
she earned it by being born... ha! gotcha *NM* Sidious - 17/06/2010 08:39:10 PM 569 Views
HA! But technically I think her mother earned that *NM* darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 08:58:30 PM 498 Views
well she earned Eronaile by virtue of her genetics *NM* Sidious - 17/06/2010 09:04:36 PM 584 Views
Tee hee ... I'd credit her father on that one *NM* darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 09:31:19 PM 625 Views
Re: good point Sidious - 17/06/2010 04:47:01 PM 1155 Views
Again, a self-proclaimed ownership aimed at making her seem more impressive darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 05:55:12 PM 1061 Views
I disagree Etzel - 17/06/2010 06:20:08 PM 1161 Views
Personally I think that order was off the cuff darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 08:55:28 PM 1277 Views
Re: Personally I think that order was off the cuff Sidious - 17/06/2010 09:02:06 PM 1242 Views
Disagree darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 09:28:51 PM 1192 Views
Re: Disagree Sidious - 17/06/2010 09:41:23 PM 1132 Views
I'm not being very clear darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 10:14:10 PM 1137 Views
Re: I'm not being very clear Sidious - 18/06/2010 08:06:56 AM 3495 Views
Re: I'm not being very clear darius_sedai - 18/06/2010 03:33:12 PM 1142 Views
Re: I'm not being very clear Sidious - 18/06/2010 04:35:12 PM 1001 Views
The point isn't if Lanfear has the skill, it's that it was poorly shown. darius_sedai - 18/06/2010 05:31:11 PM 1118 Views
I think it's shown well Sidious - 18/06/2010 06:10:55 PM 1246 Views
your own examples show only OP prowess though! darius_sedai - 18/06/2010 06:54:38 PM 1239 Views
How can you say Semirhage didn't achieve anything? Rurouni_Kenshin - 18/06/2010 01:59:44 AM 1188 Views
I'm partial to Sammael myself. Fanatic-Templar - 18/06/2010 02:24:49 AM 992 Views
The statement makes clear that those 6 were all quite impressive Etzel - 17/06/2010 10:51:49 PM 958 Views
I don't see that bearing out in the text at all darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 10:57:36 PM 1165 Views
Well, with this point I don't disagree.. *NM* Etzel - 17/06/2010 11:10:34 PM 1002 Views
darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 11:12:58 PM 1129 Views
Lanfear's motives were never Shadow-driven FanEditor10 - 20/06/2010 06:47:22 PM 1136 Views
not ballsy, just psycho darius_sedai - 20/06/2010 07:25:46 PM 1150 Views
Like Etzel I don't agree Sidious - 17/06/2010 08:30:37 PM 1031 Views
I think she's a weak villain darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 08:58:01 PM 1000 Views
Re: I think she's a weak villain Sidious - 17/06/2010 09:03:47 PM 1083 Views
and slaughter the Seanchan empress on her own throne thowing the empire into chaos darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 09:30:27 PM 1095 Views
Semirhage has done more than anyone since Ishy destroyed the Ten Nations Rurouni_Kenshin - 18/06/2010 02:06:30 AM 1117 Views
Regarding "Demandred" ... Shishka - 17/06/2010 04:51:43 PM 1111 Views
I always thought it was a coincidence Sidious - 17/06/2010 08:32:39 PM 1193 Views
Lan/Lanfear isn't a coincidence... Gher - 18/06/2010 12:19:58 AM 1044 Views
Wow. I'm not quite sure where this came from... *NM* Gher - 18/06/2010 05:24:25 PM 548 Views
Re: Lan/Lanfear isn't a coincidence... FanEditor10 - 20/06/2010 07:01:55 PM 1206 Views
No, it was supposed to be a joke. Gher - 20/06/2010 07:23:19 PM 1117 Views
Re: No, it was supposed to be a joke. FanEditor10 - 21/06/2010 06:36:44 AM 1163 Views
Re: I always thought it was a coincidence DomA - 18/06/2010 05:20:11 PM 1157 Views
Perhaps Lan-fear meaning Night-Daughter would make more sense Lordling - 17/06/2010 06:00:35 PM 1093 Views
Interesting *NM* Sidious - 17/06/2010 08:33:03 PM 647 Views
Re: Perhaps Lan-fear meaning Night-Daughter would make more sense DomA - 18/06/2010 04:23:38 PM 1318 Views
Regarding "Far Dareis Mai" ... Shishka - 18/06/2010 05:28:41 PM 1037 Views
We also have din in Mera'din/Brotherless and far in Far Madding Lordling - 18/06/2010 08:16:14 PM 1147 Views
Re: Regarding "Far Dareis Mai" ... DomA - 20/06/2010 03:56:38 AM 1264 Views
And Dragon translations... Fanatic-Templar - 17/06/2010 10:53:02 PM 1209 Views
Re: And Dragon translations... darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 11:01:25 PM 1088 Views
Why would they call themselves "Spears of the fictional creature"? Fanatic-Templar - 18/06/2010 12:29:49 AM 1009 Views
It was meant as a joke, but really it could be some generic term rather than meaning darius_sedai - 18/06/2010 06:00:36 AM 1050 Views
Except that they don't know what a 'Dragon' is, except as it relates to Lews Therin/Rand Fanatic-Templar - 18/06/2010 05:11:30 PM 1046 Views
like I said, I was just making a joke of it ... you are quite right with "Rand's Spears" darius_sedai - 18/06/2010 05:32:42 PM 921 Views
But of course the NT word for Dragon isn't Dragon DomA - 18/06/2010 05:45:34 PM 1284 Views
Ah yes, that sounds reasonable. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 18/06/2010 08:28:54 PM 609 Views
If "aman" is the Old Tongue name for Dragon, maybe "DEMANdred" contains a reference to Dragon too... Shannow - 20/06/2010 08:13:35 PM 1314 Views
"Dragon Wannabe" *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 20/06/2010 09:23:09 PM 451 Views
Lizard? *NM* Gher - 20/06/2010 10:04:21 PM 616 Views
"Scaled Worm"... though I doubt he'd take that name up in pride . *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 22/06/2010 01:23:03 AM 547 Views
It's probably too much to attempt to guess at the meanings of words... Fanatic-Templar - 17/06/2010 10:58:06 PM 855 Views
A nice article about the Old Tongue and my ramblings Lordling - 18/06/2010 11:14:24 AM 7284 Views
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