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Re: Personally I think that order was off the cuff Sidious Send a noteboard - 17/06/2010 09:02:06 PM

Not an actual ranking ... this very ranking is why I only listed these 6 as the ones who were truly more impressive than her ... and IMO the books bear that out. Lanfear just comes across as a cliche villain to me. I can't say that we've seen her do much other than simple be strong in the OP, woo hoo, I don't think that makes her more than lucky to have been born that way.


She's done no more, and no less than any other Forsaken.

But I'm not really talking about OP here. She's the only one of this bunch who was not acclaimed in the AoL prior to the Collapse,


But the acclaim was achieve by serving humanity and society. That's utterly the wrong thing to look at when judging prowess as a Forsaken.

and IMO likely was only in the elite because of her strength and skill with the OP. The others were all skilled in many other areas, or had specific specialties that made them truly fear worthy. Semirhage as a torturer, Graendal as a manipulator, Sammael and Demandred as Generals, Ishamael as a pseudo-religious figure...


You need to read the BWB book on Lanfear again, and her territories.

I just don't see that she actually did much outside of obsess over LTT, assassinate a few people and bitch about what should have been hers.


That's like saying that Graendal only cares about enslaving people. It's as true and untrue and you make it out to be.

Since returning, the other "Top 6" have all carved out power bases, sown chaos and in general have all been far more interesting villains (IMO). Lanfear managed to accomplish nothing at all except to end up a slave, no better off than Moghedien.


Ishamael achieved even less than Lanfear. Sammael is dead. Demandred is anyone's guess. Graendal and Semirhage are also dead. I don't really see how you can claim this.

Honestly she seems the type to have laid claim to TAR simply because it was a rather ridiculous claim. She can't be there at all times to enforce "her rule" and she's not even the most accomplished master of the realm! If she was truly the "queen of TAR" as she liked to claim, why could she not even keep the others from using it whenever they wished? Honestly it's just like giving herself her own name, simply a way to make herself believe that she is more impressive than she really is.


I really don't see why you have a problem with her identity. Graendal is known for her compulsion, and Semirhage for her torturing. Lanfear for TAR.

All OP Strength and just about nothing else.


An unfair assessment if ever there was one. I'm pretty sure she's the most skilled channeler of the female Forsaken, which was strongly hinted at in her encounter with Alivia.
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Forsaken translations Sidious - 17/06/2010 09:16:36 AM 2269 Views
Yeah... Etzel - 17/06/2010 09:31:15 AM 1562 Views
Semirhage is named as "The Lady of Pain" in KoD, by Rand... Shannow - 17/06/2010 11:14:56 AM 1901 Views
You are right... Etzel - 17/06/2010 11:31:05 AM 1461 Views
Do Semirhage & Bel'al actually mean those things or are they other nicknames? Cannoli - 17/06/2010 11:38:18 AM 1321 Views
On Be'lal Etzel - 17/06/2010 11:42:31 AM 1234 Views
Nice ideas! Sidious - 17/06/2010 02:10:43 PM 1369 Views
The beauty of a re-read is that there are so many little gems I'd forgotten darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 02:48:19 PM 1140 Views
Re: The beauty of a re-read is that there are so many little gems I'd forgotten Sidious - 17/06/2010 04:43:48 PM 1274 Views
Gai'shain = those sworn to peace in battle Great Lord of Chaos - 17/06/2010 09:22:02 PM 1195 Views
Gaidin = Brother to Battle ... which is what I think the OP meant to use darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 09:32:20 PM 1132 Views
Presumably he meant "Dai Shan", or "Battle Lord", as he said. Fanatic-Templar - 17/06/2010 10:37:07 PM 1210 Views
or that *NM* darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 10:45:49 PM 689 Views
About Aginor Ishamael - 17/06/2010 12:50:04 PM 1524 Views
Great! Sidious - 17/06/2010 02:11:47 PM 1321 Views
Some Old Tongue translations sylph - 17/06/2010 01:34:18 PM 1238 Views
ah Thanks! *NM* Sidious - 17/06/2010 02:12:00 PM 701 Views
Good luck with that DomA - 17/06/2010 02:36:36 PM 1280 Views
Re: Good luck with that Cynewulf - 17/06/2010 03:24:52 PM 1138 Views
Very interesting! Sidious - 17/06/2010 08:34:36 PM 1224 Views
As always, KOuellette - 20/06/2010 02:25:07 PM 1130 Views
I always thought Lanfear probably translated to something closer to a Moon translation darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 02:43:04 PM 1425 Views
it's the other way around... DomA - 17/06/2010 02:58:33 PM 1185 Views
good point darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 03:13:17 PM 1186 Views
Re: good point DomA - 17/06/2010 04:05:50 PM 1245 Views
Not to mention she STILL hasn't earned a 3rd (or in 4th) name darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 04:16:57 PM 1227 Views
What about Cyndane Sidious - 17/06/2010 04:48:03 PM 1128 Views
It must be her favorite one, since it's the only one she actually earned *NM* darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 05:43:41 PM 614 Views
Well she earned Mierin *NM* Sidious - 17/06/2010 08:27:05 PM 761 Views
how so? I figured mom and dad gave that one too her *NM* darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 08:36:24 PM 641 Views
she earned it by being born... ha! gotcha *NM* Sidious - 17/06/2010 08:39:10 PM 602 Views
HA! But technically I think her mother earned that *NM* darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 08:58:30 PM 532 Views
well she earned Eronaile by virtue of her genetics *NM* Sidious - 17/06/2010 09:04:36 PM 612 Views
Tee hee ... I'd credit her father on that one *NM* darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 09:31:19 PM 664 Views
Re: good point Sidious - 17/06/2010 04:47:01 PM 1260 Views
Again, a self-proclaimed ownership aimed at making her seem more impressive darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 05:55:12 PM 1134 Views
I disagree Etzel - 17/06/2010 06:20:08 PM 1249 Views
Personally I think that order was off the cuff darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 08:55:28 PM 1361 Views
Re: Personally I think that order was off the cuff Sidious - 17/06/2010 09:02:06 PM 1337 Views
Disagree darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 09:28:51 PM 1276 Views
Re: Disagree Sidious - 17/06/2010 09:41:23 PM 1213 Views
I'm not being very clear darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 10:14:10 PM 1219 Views
Re: I'm not being very clear Sidious - 18/06/2010 08:06:56 AM 3591 Views
Re: I'm not being very clear darius_sedai - 18/06/2010 03:33:12 PM 1230 Views
Re: I'm not being very clear Sidious - 18/06/2010 04:35:12 PM 1076 Views
The point isn't if Lanfear has the skill, it's that it was poorly shown. darius_sedai - 18/06/2010 05:31:11 PM 1225 Views
I think it's shown well Sidious - 18/06/2010 06:10:55 PM 1333 Views
your own examples show only OP prowess though! darius_sedai - 18/06/2010 06:54:38 PM 1329 Views
How can you say Semirhage didn't achieve anything? Rurouni_Kenshin - 18/06/2010 01:59:44 AM 1272 Views
I'm partial to Sammael myself. Fanatic-Templar - 18/06/2010 02:24:49 AM 1080 Views
The statement makes clear that those 6 were all quite impressive Etzel - 17/06/2010 10:51:49 PM 1052 Views
I don't see that bearing out in the text at all darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 10:57:36 PM 1242 Views
Well, with this point I don't disagree.. *NM* Etzel - 17/06/2010 11:10:34 PM 1092 Views
darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 11:12:58 PM 1226 Views
Lanfear's motives were never Shadow-driven FanEditor10 - 20/06/2010 06:47:22 PM 1216 Views
not ballsy, just psycho darius_sedai - 20/06/2010 07:25:46 PM 1232 Views
Like Etzel I don't agree Sidious - 17/06/2010 08:30:37 PM 1110 Views
I think she's a weak villain darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 08:58:01 PM 1082 Views
Re: I think she's a weak villain Sidious - 17/06/2010 09:03:47 PM 1177 Views
and slaughter the Seanchan empress on her own throne thowing the empire into chaos darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 09:30:27 PM 1195 Views
Semirhage has done more than anyone since Ishy destroyed the Ten Nations Rurouni_Kenshin - 18/06/2010 02:06:30 AM 1171 Views
Regarding "Demandred" ... Shishka - 17/06/2010 04:51:43 PM 1188 Views
I always thought it was a coincidence Sidious - 17/06/2010 08:32:39 PM 1299 Views
Lan/Lanfear isn't a coincidence... Gher - 18/06/2010 12:19:58 AM 1142 Views
Wow. I'm not quite sure where this came from... *NM* Gher - 18/06/2010 05:24:25 PM 584 Views
Re: Lan/Lanfear isn't a coincidence... FanEditor10 - 20/06/2010 07:01:55 PM 1298 Views
No, it was supposed to be a joke. Gher - 20/06/2010 07:23:19 PM 1204 Views
Re: No, it was supposed to be a joke. FanEditor10 - 21/06/2010 06:36:44 AM 1245 Views
Re: I always thought it was a coincidence DomA - 18/06/2010 05:20:11 PM 1237 Views
Perhaps Lan-fear meaning Night-Daughter would make more sense Lordling - 17/06/2010 06:00:35 PM 1188 Views
Interesting *NM* Sidious - 17/06/2010 08:33:03 PM 685 Views
Re: Perhaps Lan-fear meaning Night-Daughter would make more sense DomA - 18/06/2010 04:23:38 PM 1418 Views
Regarding "Far Dareis Mai" ... Shishka - 18/06/2010 05:28:41 PM 1135 Views
We also have din in Mera'din/Brotherless and far in Far Madding Lordling - 18/06/2010 08:16:14 PM 1238 Views
Re: Regarding "Far Dareis Mai" ... DomA - 20/06/2010 03:56:38 AM 1361 Views
And Dragon translations... Fanatic-Templar - 17/06/2010 10:53:02 PM 1299 Views
Re: And Dragon translations... darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 11:01:25 PM 1172 Views
Why would they call themselves "Spears of the fictional creature"? Fanatic-Templar - 18/06/2010 12:29:49 AM 1086 Views
It was meant as a joke, but really it could be some generic term rather than meaning darius_sedai - 18/06/2010 06:00:36 AM 1139 Views
Except that they don't know what a 'Dragon' is, except as it relates to Lews Therin/Rand Fanatic-Templar - 18/06/2010 05:11:30 PM 1136 Views
like I said, I was just making a joke of it ... you are quite right with "Rand's Spears" darius_sedai - 18/06/2010 05:32:42 PM 1007 Views
But of course the NT word for Dragon isn't Dragon DomA - 18/06/2010 05:45:34 PM 1380 Views
Ah yes, that sounds reasonable. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 18/06/2010 08:28:54 PM 648 Views
If "aman" is the Old Tongue name for Dragon, maybe "DEMANdred" contains a reference to Dragon too... Shannow - 20/06/2010 08:13:35 PM 1415 Views
"Dragon Wannabe" *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 20/06/2010 09:23:09 PM 486 Views
Lizard? *NM* Gher - 20/06/2010 10:04:21 PM 654 Views
"Scaled Worm"... though I doubt he'd take that name up in pride . *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 22/06/2010 01:23:03 AM 581 Views
It's probably too much to attempt to guess at the meanings of words... Fanatic-Templar - 17/06/2010 10:58:06 PM 941 Views
A nice article about the Old Tongue and my ramblings Lordling - 18/06/2010 11:14:24 AM 7380 Views
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