The point is that you initially took Rand's statement about 3x Semirhage and made it all about strength. Then you added skill in later posts.
We've seen channelers of similar strength shield one another : Nynaeve/Moghedien, Rand/Lanfear, Nynaeve/Talaan.
As I said in my original post, Rand is saying that it would take 3x Forsaken powered people to smother him, and he would not be able to counter it in any way. You disputed this down the page, but in a post before this you admit that it would take that much power to overwhelm Rand's strength and skill. So which is it? You can't have it both ways.
Lanfear obviously thought that she could get a shield through with Rand, or she never would have wasted her time.
What I'm saying MAY be the same thing, but I see your ability to resist a shield as a combination of strength and skill.
Lews Therin is saying that he can resist the shield of any woman who is weaker than him (i.e. any of the Forsaken females), and he can resist the shield of any TWO of the Forsaken females, even if together they may slightly exceed his strength.
But it would take THREE Forsaken females to cut him off beyond his ability to resist.
That's what I've been saying all along. And because this ability to resist does not merely consist of holding on to the Source at the maximum of his ability, but also to slice attacking weaves, to launch attacks of his own etc., this means that if Lews Therin was at his full potential, Lanfear would not be able to threaten him in the way she did at the Docks.
The Docks was a dangerous situation for Rand due to a combination of his lack of full strength, and significant lack of knowledge and experience.
No three women could block him from the Source...
15/06/2010 06:52:17 PM
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I think that is total BS, since the books have proved otherwise more than once...
15/06/2010 07:22:16 PM
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I think he means that it would take three such women to smother him
15/06/2010 07:45:03 PM
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Re: I think that is total BS, since the books have proved otherwise more than once...
15/06/2010 08:17:47 PM
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Huh?
15/06/2010 08:19:21 PM
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Re: Huh?
15/06/2010 08:31:17 PM
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15/06/2010 08:43:12 PM
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Re:
15/06/2010 08:47:05 PM
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No, this is before.
15/06/2010 08:49:13 PM
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Well that's a different quote from the one you used before, and this one shows Lanfear not succeedin
15/06/2010 08:52:00 PM
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I never used a quote before. And there's no quote where Lanfear's shield is not succeeding.
15/06/2010 08:52:28 PM
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Simple answer to settle it:
15/06/2010 09:00:22 PM
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So Talaan is God?
15/06/2010 09:04:44 PM
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It Rand had half Lews Therin's skill at the time, she would stand no chance..SKILL was her advantage
15/06/2010 09:08:41 PM
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So?
15/06/2010 09:15:01 PM
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Nope, YOU said he was talking about smothering him, whatever that's supposed to mean...
15/06/2010 09:26:53 PM
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That's exactly how I understood you.
15/06/2010 09:30:42 PM
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You do know that this was AFTER Lanfear had picked up the bracelet angreal, right?
15/06/2010 08:49:47 PM
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Nope. 6 Aes Sedai couldn't take Raolain Darksbane or Yurian Stonebow...Semirhage = 3 Aes Sedai
15/06/2010 08:26:21 PM
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Lanfear can do it alone
15/06/2010 08:45:09 PM
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She ATTEMPTS to cut him off, when he is not at full strength or full training yet...
15/06/2010 08:55:39 PM
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Plus, Rand was splitting his flows, IIRC. Meaning he wasn't 100% one-on-one with her.
15/06/2010 08:57:35 PM
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She was splitting her flows too... she was slicing his weaves of Air.
15/06/2010 08:59:00 PM
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Bah!
15/06/2010 08:58:26 PM
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I repeat: You cannot shield someone unless you are significantly stronger than they are...
15/06/2010 09:02:55 PM
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Explain Talaan shielding Nynaeve then. Or the two BA shielding her.
15/06/2010 09:05:21 PM
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It becomes a battle of skill then...
15/06/2010 09:09:42 PM
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Then by your own definition you do not have to be significantly stronger to shield someone
15/06/2010 11:28:44 PM
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Oh come on...
15/06/2010 08:48:56 PM
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I know you are not that ignorant...
15/06/2010 09:07:02 PM
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But that isn't true...
15/06/2010 09:10:37 PM
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Let me spell it out for you...
15/06/2010 09:18:04 PM
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Re: Let me spell it out for you...
15/06/2010 09:21:02 PM
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+1. It ridiculous comparison. Rand even didn't know how to shield a woman.
15/06/2010 09:22:22 PM
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Now that's a ridiculous comparison
15/06/2010 09:24:45 PM
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Touchy point, heh?
15/06/2010 09:28:47 PM
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Then how come Lanfear never died? We know she made attempts to capture him.
15/06/2010 09:31:20 PM
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Whom? LTT? Can you elaborate?
15/06/2010 09:33:25 PM
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If you wish...
15/06/2010 09:34:38 PM
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Re: If you wish...
15/06/2010 09:36:30 PM
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Whyever not?
15/06/2010 09:39:22 PM
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Re: Whyever not?
15/06/2010 09:41:22 PM
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Even in that situation
15/06/2010 09:43:04 PM
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Re: Even in that situation
15/06/2010 09:47:36 PM
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Okay...
15/06/2010 09:59:36 PM
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Re: Okay...
15/06/2010 10:39:01 PM
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So, if it doesn't agree with your view, its fuzzy, even when that is what the books say? *NM*
15/06/2010 10:42:48 PM
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What?
15/06/2010 10:45:16 PM
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If we use your interpretation of the statements. *NM*
15/06/2010 10:49:21 PM
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Re: If we use your interpretation of the statements.
15/06/2010 10:54:48 PM
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Okay, here's what I think you're saying...
15/06/2010 11:00:19 PM
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Hehehe! Classic. Maybe his hands were full of her...err..Globes of Fire...
15/06/2010 09:47:35 PM
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It's like women's tennis. Put the best up against a middling men's tennis player and they lose. *NM*
16/06/2010 12:18:06 AM
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Re: No three women could block him from the Source...
16/06/2010 04:00:00 PM
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I disagree.
16/06/2010 04:03:52 PM
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I'd like to think Egwene, Elayne and Aviendha could
17/06/2010 04:19:22 PM
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Agreed
17/06/2010 05:59:39 PM
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They might be able to, but then they are not 3 women of <b>average AS</b> strength
17/06/2010 07:10:14 PM
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They would be far more than 3 average AS
17/06/2010 08:07:30 PM
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Another related quote
18/06/2010 07:49:33 PM
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well, in the same book about 5 minutes after Lanfear almost kicks Rands ass
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