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Nope. 6 Aes Sedai couldn't take Raolain Darksbane or Yurian Stonebow...Semirhage = 3 Aes Sedai Shannow Send a noteboard - 15/06/2010 08:26:21 PM
Lanfear alone was able to shield Rand, except that he sliced her weaves. There's no way 3xSemirhage=Lanfear.

Its closer to Semirhage almost=Lanfear. Thus, Semi alone should have a decent chance of Shielding Rand, and linked to a weak Aes Sedai, she definitely will be able to.


Loial states quite clearly that 6 Aes Sedai were unable to take Raolain Darksbane or Yurian Stonebow. And that was more than 1000 years ago. We know Aes Sedai have been growing progressively weaker as time went by, so those Aes Sedai would have been stronger than Aes Sedai of today.

From what we know so far it seems likely that Semirhage is approximately the equivalent of 3 average modern Aes Sedai.

Which would mean that 2 Semirhage's would equal approximately 6 Aes Sedai in strength. MODERN AES SEDAI, mind you, not the equivalent of the Aes Sedai in Darksbane or Stonebow's times.

So if 6 ancient Aes Sedai were not strong enough to take those two false Dragons, then 2 Semirhage's won't be strong enough to take Rand either. Not when he is at his full potential.

So you would in fact need 3 Semirhage's do the job.

In fact, Rand might well be stronger than Darksbane and Stonebow, meaning that 7 Aes Sedai would not be able to take him either. In fact, you may need 8 or 9 Aes Sedai to take him.

Meaning that Lews Therin was perfectly correct when he said it would take 3 Semirhage's and Mesaana's to shield him from the Source if he was already holding the Power.
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No three women could block him from the Source... - 15/06/2010 06:52:17 PM 2370 Views
I think that is total BS, since the books have proved otherwise more than once... - 15/06/2010 07:22:16 PM 1420 Views
I think he means that it would take three such women to smother him - 15/06/2010 07:45:03 PM 1506 Views
Ahhh... I can kind of agree with that... - 15/06/2010 08:05:46 PM 1568 Views
Yes, that is what he meant. Another interesting twist... - 16/06/2010 01:34:18 AM 1618 Views
Agreed. Good analysis. - 16/06/2010 07:48:36 AM 1504 Views
Re: I think that is total BS, since the books have proved otherwise more than once... - 15/06/2010 08:17:47 PM 1479 Views
Huh? - 15/06/2010 08:19:21 PM 1534 Views
Re: Huh? - 15/06/2010 08:31:17 PM 1372 Views
- 15/06/2010 08:43:12 PM 1461 Views
Re: - 15/06/2010 08:47:05 PM 1281 Views
No, this is before. - 15/06/2010 08:49:13 PM 1367 Views
Well that's a different quote from the one you used before, and this one shows Lanfear not succeedin - 15/06/2010 08:52:00 PM 1349 Views
I never used a quote before. And there's no quote where Lanfear's shield is not succeeding. - 15/06/2010 08:52:28 PM 1224 Views
Simple answer to settle it: - 15/06/2010 09:00:22 PM 1276 Views
So Talaan is God? - 15/06/2010 09:04:44 PM 1436 Views
It Rand had half Lews Therin's skill at the time, she would stand no chance..SKILL was her advantage - 15/06/2010 09:08:41 PM 1340 Views
Skill has nothing to do with how strong a person is. - 15/06/2010 09:11:13 PM 1328 Views
So? - 15/06/2010 09:15:01 PM 1311 Views
Nope, YOU said he was talking about smothering him, whatever that's supposed to mean... - 15/06/2010 09:26:53 PM 1310 Views
Oh My God! That's such utter tripe... EDIT... - 15/06/2010 09:30:29 PM 1361 Views
That's exactly how I understood you. - 15/06/2010 09:30:42 PM 1245 Views
Nope. 6 Aes Sedai couldn't take Raolain Darksbane or Yurian Stonebow...Semirhage = 3 Aes Sedai - 15/06/2010 08:26:21 PM 1319 Views
Lanfear can do it alone - 15/06/2010 08:45:09 PM 1291 Views
She ATTEMPTS to cut him off, when he is not at full strength or full training yet... - 15/06/2010 08:55:39 PM 1243 Views
Plus, Rand was splitting his flows, IIRC. Meaning he wasn't 100% one-on-one with her. - 15/06/2010 08:57:35 PM 1314 Views
She was splitting her flows too... she was slicing his weaves of Air. - 15/06/2010 08:59:00 PM 1309 Views
Bah! - 15/06/2010 08:58:26 PM 1318 Views
I repeat: You cannot shield someone unless you are significantly stronger than they are... - 15/06/2010 09:02:55 PM 1231 Views
Explain Talaan shielding Nynaeve then. Or the two BA shielding her. - 15/06/2010 09:05:21 PM 2233 Views
It becomes a battle of skill then... - 15/06/2010 09:09:42 PM 1405 Views
BUT... - 15/06/2010 09:12:47 PM 1284 Views
Re: "he would have had no need to cut her weaves" - 15/06/2010 09:03:39 PM 1239 Views
No. There's a difference. - 15/06/2010 09:07:09 PM 1429 Views
Oh come on... - 15/06/2010 08:48:56 PM 1458 Views
I know you are not that ignorant... - 15/06/2010 09:07:02 PM 1251 Views
But that isn't true... - 15/06/2010 09:10:37 PM 1257 Views
Let me spell it out for you... - 15/06/2010 09:18:04 PM 1295 Views
Re: Let me spell it out for you... - 15/06/2010 09:21:02 PM 1295 Views
Don't put words in my, or Lews Therin's, mouth... - 15/06/2010 09:33:50 PM 1466 Views
??? - 15/06/2010 10:43:28 PM 1454 Views
+1. It ridiculous comparison. Rand even didn't know how to shield a woman. - 15/06/2010 09:22:22 PM 1282 Views
Now that's a ridiculous comparison - 15/06/2010 09:24:45 PM 1410 Views
Exactly! - 15/06/2010 09:28:20 PM 1418 Views
Touchy point, heh? - 15/06/2010 09:28:47 PM 1327 Views
Then how come Lanfear never died? We know she made attempts to capture him. - 15/06/2010 09:31:20 PM 1400 Views
Whom? LTT? Can you elaborate? - 15/06/2010 09:33:25 PM 1344 Views
If you wish... - 15/06/2010 09:34:38 PM 1117 Views
Re: If you wish... - 15/06/2010 09:36:30 PM 1110 Views
Whyever not? - 15/06/2010 09:39:22 PM 1215 Views
Re: Whyever not? - 15/06/2010 09:41:22 PM 1095 Views
Even in that situation - 15/06/2010 09:43:04 PM 1376 Views
Re: Even in that situation - 15/06/2010 09:47:36 PM 1362 Views
Okay... - 15/06/2010 09:59:36 PM 1303 Views
Re: Okay... - 15/06/2010 10:39:01 PM 1266 Views
So, if it doesn't agree with your view, its fuzzy, even when that is what the books say? *NM* - 15/06/2010 10:42:48 PM 722 Views
What? - 15/06/2010 10:45:16 PM 1248 Views
If we use your interpretation of the statements. *NM* - 15/06/2010 10:49:21 PM 624 Views
Re: If we use your interpretation of the statements. - 15/06/2010 10:54:48 PM 1147 Views
Okay, here's what I think you're saying... - 15/06/2010 11:00:19 PM 1334 Views
Re: Okay, here's what I think you're saying... - 15/06/2010 11:10:57 PM 1270 Views
Sorry for the mixup... BUT... - 16/06/2010 12:28:31 AM 1316 Views
I cannot believe you're so obtuse... or then again, I can. - 15/06/2010 09:26:04 PM 1351 Views
About how strong you have to be to shield someone... - 15/06/2010 09:14:31 PM 1141 Views
Re: No three women could block him from the Source... - 16/06/2010 04:00:00 PM 1230 Views
+1 - 16/06/2010 05:54:51 PM 1330 Views
- 16/06/2010 08:48:39 PM 1508 Views
Re: - 16/06/2010 08:56:31 PM 1147 Views
indeed you have - 16/06/2010 09:34:22 PM 1388 Views
Bad analogy... - 17/06/2010 04:23:31 AM 1185 Views
Uh... - 17/06/2010 09:08:01 AM 1224 Views
I disagree. - 16/06/2010 04:03:52 PM 1404 Views
That's wrong. Rand said 2 AS + Moghedien could threaten him - 16/06/2010 05:17:33 PM 1380 Views
Huh. I forgot about that. - 17/06/2010 04:29:38 PM 1431 Views
go back a few posts... - 17/06/2010 03:41:42 AM 1254 Views
yet Nynaeve and Talaan can shield one another - 17/06/2010 05:57:09 AM 1275 Views
I'd like to think Egwene, Elayne and Aviendha could - 17/06/2010 04:19:22 PM 1197 Views
Agreed - 17/06/2010 05:59:39 PM 1079 Views
I don't think there's any theme - 17/06/2010 08:25:52 PM 1451 Views
I don't think they are meant to controll him in someway - 17/06/2010 10:21:09 PM 1277 Views
They have a separate trinity. - 18/06/2010 06:51:27 PM 1313 Views
They might be able to, but then they are not 3 women of <b>average AS</b> strength - 17/06/2010 07:10:14 PM 1267 Views
They would be far more than 3 average AS - 17/06/2010 08:07:30 PM 1262 Views
No, that's not right either. - 18/06/2010 12:37:37 AM 1312 Views
I disagree - 18/06/2010 06:07:10 AM 1407 Views
Another related quote - 18/06/2010 07:49:33 PM 1222 Views
well, in the same book about 5 minutes after Lanfear almost kicks Rands ass - 18/06/2010 08:11:49 PM 1328 Views

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