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No three women could block him from the Source... Logain Send a noteboard - 15/06/2010 06:52:17 PM
Here is the exact quote from Lord of Chaos, The Taking:
That shield made his eyes bulge; it was impossible. No three women could block him from the Source once he had taken hold of saidin, not unless they were as strong as Semirhage or Mesaana or . . . he reached for the Source, battered at that invisible stone wall, harder, harder.


I added the bold part to emphasize RJ's use of the word "they." I have seen some people mistakenly post that it takes just 2 regular Aes Sedai + either Mesaana or Semirhage to shield Rand once he has taken ahold of Saidin. However, that is not what RJ wrote. RJ used the word "they" which means all three women in a circle would have to be as strong as Semirhage or Mesaana to cut Rand from the source once he has taken ahold of Saidin.

Conclusion: 2 Semirhage + 1 regular AS is not strong enough to cut Rand from the source once he has taken ahold of Saidin.

What do you think?



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No three women could block him from the Source... Logain - 15/06/2010 06:52:17 PM 1931 Views
I think that is total BS, since the books have proved otherwise more than once... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 07:22:16 PM 1008 Views
I think he means that it would take three such women to smother him Sidious - 15/06/2010 07:45:03 PM 1071 Views
Ahhh... I can kind of agree with that... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:05:46 PM 1138 Views
Yes, that is what he meant. Another interesting twist... Logain - 16/06/2010 01:34:18 AM 1119 Views
Agreed. Good analysis. Shannow - 16/06/2010 07:48:36 AM 1094 Views
Re: I think that is total BS, since the books have proved otherwise more than once... randfandom - 15/06/2010 08:17:47 PM 1025 Views
Huh? fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:19:21 PM 1131 Views
Re: Huh? randfandom - 15/06/2010 08:31:17 PM 953 Views
fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:43:12 PM 1032 Views
Re: Code_Man65 - 15/06/2010 08:47:05 PM 861 Views
No, this is before. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:49:13 PM 941 Views
Well that's a different quote from the one you used before, and this one shows Lanfear not succeedin Shannow - 15/06/2010 08:52:00 PM 937 Views
I never used a quote before. And there's no quote where Lanfear's shield is not succeeding. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:52:28 PM 815 Views
Simple answer to settle it: Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:00:22 PM 833 Views
So Talaan is God? fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:04:44 PM 992 Views
It Rand had half Lews Therin's skill at the time, she would stand no chance..SKILL was her advantage Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:08:41 PM 945 Views
Skill has nothing to do with how strong a person is. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:11:13 PM 917 Views
So? Sidious - 15/06/2010 09:15:01 PM 899 Views
Nope, YOU said he was talking about smothering him, whatever that's supposed to mean... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:26:53 PM 862 Views
Oh My God! That's such utter tripe... EDIT... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:30:29 PM 961 Views
That's exactly how I understood you. Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:30:42 PM 804 Views
You do know that this was AFTER Lanfear had picked up the bracelet angreal, right? Shannow - 15/06/2010 08:49:47 PM 911 Views
It was before... both of them start using an angreal after this. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:52:02 PM 839 Views
Nope. 6 Aes Sedai couldn't take Raolain Darksbane or Yurian Stonebow...Semirhage = 3 Aes Sedai Shannow - 15/06/2010 08:26:21 PM 874 Views
Lanfear can do it alone Sidious - 15/06/2010 08:45:09 PM 878 Views
She ATTEMPTS to cut him off, when he is not at full strength or full training yet... Shannow - 15/06/2010 08:55:39 PM 846 Views
Plus, Rand was splitting his flows, IIRC. Meaning he wasn't 100% one-on-one with her. Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 08:57:35 PM 867 Views
She was splitting her flows too... she was slicing his weaves of Air. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:59:00 PM 903 Views
Bah! fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:58:26 PM 876 Views
I repeat: You cannot shield someone unless you are significantly stronger than they are... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:02:55 PM 829 Views
Explain Talaan shielding Nynaeve then. Or the two BA shielding her. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:05:21 PM 1816 Views
It becomes a battle of skill then... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:09:42 PM 988 Views
BUT... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:12:47 PM 908 Views
Then by your own definition you do not have to be significantly stronger to shield someone darius_sedai - 15/06/2010 11:28:44 PM 877 Views
Re: "he would have had no need to cut her weaves" Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:03:39 PM 838 Views
No. There's a difference. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:07:09 PM 1007 Views
Oh come on... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:48:56 PM 1042 Views
I know you are not that ignorant... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:07:02 PM 811 Views
But that isn't true... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:10:37 PM 854 Views
Let me spell it out for you... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:18:04 PM 873 Views
Re: Let me spell it out for you... Sidious - 15/06/2010 09:21:02 PM 851 Views
Don't put words in my, or Lews Therin's, mouth... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:33:50 PM 1011 Views
??? darius_sedai - 15/06/2010 10:43:28 PM 1007 Views
+1. It ridiculous comparison. Rand even didn't know how to shield a woman. Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:22:22 PM 898 Views
Now that's a ridiculous comparison Sidious - 15/06/2010 09:24:45 PM 981 Views
Exactly! fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:28:20 PM 1000 Views
Touchy point, heh? Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:28:47 PM 937 Views
Then how come Lanfear never died? We know she made attempts to capture him. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:31:20 PM 913 Views
Whom? LTT? Can you elaborate? Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:33:25 PM 968 Views
If you wish... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:34:38 PM 720 Views
Re: If you wish... Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:36:30 PM 730 Views
Whyever not? fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:39:22 PM 807 Views
Re: Whyever not? Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:41:22 PM 687 Views
Even in that situation fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:43:04 PM 946 Views
Re: Even in that situation Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:47:36 PM 962 Views
Okay... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:59:36 PM 893 Views
Re: Okay... Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 10:39:01 PM 891 Views
So, if it doesn't agree with your view, its fuzzy, even when that is what the books say? *NM* fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 10:42:48 PM 529 Views
What? Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 10:45:16 PM 815 Views
If we use your interpretation of the statements. *NM* fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 10:49:21 PM 437 Views
Re: If we use your interpretation of the statements. Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 10:54:48 PM 750 Views
Okay, here's what I think you're saying... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 11:00:19 PM 916 Views
Re: Okay, here's what I think you're saying... Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 11:10:57 PM 863 Views
Sorry for the mixup... BUT... fionwe1987 - 16/06/2010 12:28:31 AM 941 Views
Hehehe! Classic. Maybe his hands were full of her...err..Globes of Fire... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:47:35 PM 818 Views
I cannot believe you're so obtuse... or then again, I can. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:26:04 PM 972 Views
About how strong you have to be to shield someone... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:14:31 PM 683 Views
It's like women's tennis. Put the best up against a middling men's tennis player and they lose. *NM* Tom - 16/06/2010 12:18:06 AM 361 Views
Re: No three women could block him from the Source... Underwood - 16/06/2010 04:00:00 PM 813 Views
+1 Skeeve the Great - 16/06/2010 05:54:51 PM 885 Views
darius_sedai - 16/06/2010 08:48:39 PM 1064 Views
Re: Skeeve the Great - 16/06/2010 08:56:31 PM 746 Views
indeed you have darius_sedai - 16/06/2010 09:34:22 PM 979 Views
Bad analogy... fionwe1987 - 17/06/2010 04:23:31 AM 776 Views
Uh... Sidious - 17/06/2010 09:08:01 AM 858 Views
I disagree. LordPerrin - 16/06/2010 04:03:52 PM 960 Views
That's wrong. Rand said 2 AS + Moghedien could threaten him Logain - 16/06/2010 05:17:33 PM 940 Views
Huh. I forgot about that. LordPerrin - 17/06/2010 04:29:38 PM 1006 Views
go back a few posts... Kieran - 17/06/2010 03:41:42 AM 866 Views
yet Nynaeve and Talaan can shield one another darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 05:57:09 AM 874 Views
I'd like to think Egwene, Elayne and Aviendha could RugbyPlayingAshaman - 17/06/2010 04:19:22 PM 805 Views
Agreed darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 05:59:39 PM 701 Views
I don't think there's any theme Sidious - 17/06/2010 08:25:52 PM 993 Views
I don't think they are meant to controll him in someway darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 10:21:09 PM 872 Views
They have a separate trinity. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 18/06/2010 06:51:27 PM 883 Views
They might be able to, but then they are not 3 women of <b>average AS</b> strength Logain - 17/06/2010 07:10:14 PM 836 Views
They would be far more than 3 average AS darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 08:07:30 PM 853 Views
No, that's not right either. Lews Therin Telamon - 18/06/2010 12:37:37 AM 912 Views
I disagree darius_sedai - 18/06/2010 06:07:10 AM 990 Views
Another related quote Skeeve the Great - 18/06/2010 07:49:33 PM 855 Views
well, in the same book about 5 minutes after Lanfear almost kicks Rands ass darius_sedai - 18/06/2010 08:11:49 PM 905 Views
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