I think you are overstating the situations below
darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 14/06/2010 06:02:12 PM
The Seanchan believe that the Aes Sedai are murderous monsters one and all. That if you goto sleep at night, there is a possibility of a Aes Sedai killing you in your sleep. The Aes Sedai are their bogymen, plain and simple. And the Sul'Dam did have a choice as Tuon made ever so clear - they could simply decide not learn to channel and disappear into the country and live quiet lives.
Tuon was insistent on what the Seanchan believe channelers to be, thieves and murderers and the worst scum the universe has ever created - to be imprisoned and controlled before they break the world anew. Given this cultural baggage, and other options instead the Sul'dam embraced channeling. They badgered the Aes Sedai, Evil Incarnate in the eyes of their culture, to train them.
Julian Sandar, a Tearian who was raised with a similar set of beliefs and same type of culture as the Seanchan and Children, with a few weeks of association with a channeler, realized that what he was taught was fundamentally wrong. That only took a matter of weeks.
On top of that there are the people who follow the Dragon Reborn. After three thousand years of hearing about what the Dragon did, and all the male Aes Sedai, people are willing to drop their preconceptions to follow this man. Men are willing to channel, and women who should be absolutely terrified of those prospects instead come and join their husbands as they learn to channel. They accept this new twist of events.
I submit that the hardest core and most twisted faction of the Children, those who will never change, stayed behind with the questioners when the rest of the children broke away with Galad. Thus, those remaining are far more likely to, if not lose, at least mitigate some of their hatred for channelers.
Tuon was insistent on what the Seanchan believe channelers to be, thieves and murderers and the worst scum the universe has ever created - to be imprisoned and controlled before they break the world anew. Given this cultural baggage, and other options instead the Sul'dam embraced channeling. They badgered the Aes Sedai, Evil Incarnate in the eyes of their culture, to train them.
Julian Sandar, a Tearian who was raised with a similar set of beliefs and same type of culture as the Seanchan and Children, with a few weeks of association with a channeler, realized that what he was taught was fundamentally wrong. That only took a matter of weeks.
On top of that there are the people who follow the Dragon Reborn. After three thousand years of hearing about what the Dragon did, and all the male Aes Sedai, people are willing to drop their preconceptions to follow this man. Men are willing to channel, and women who should be absolutely terrified of those prospects instead come and join their husbands as they learn to channel. They accept this new twist of events.
I submit that the hardest core and most twisted faction of the Children, those who will never change, stayed behind with the questioners when the rest of the children broke away with Galad. Thus, those remaining are far more likely to, if not lose, at least mitigate some of their hatred for channelers.
Tairen's do not have anywhere near the dislike for AS as the others for one thing ... AS are not even outlawed in Tear!
Tuon never says a sul'dam who starts channeling can quietly disappear into the country! Bethamin and Seta would have been hunted down and enslaved as damane if they returned to the Empire. Bethamin at least considers this
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Questions of Treason
Not simply horror at seeing two sui'dam revealed as marath'damane, but her own sudden personal terror. Often she thought she could almost see damane's weaves, and she could always sense a damane's presence and know how strong she was. Many sui'dam could; everyone knew it came from long experience at handling the a'dam. Yet the sight of that desperate pair roused unwanted thoughts, putting a different and frightening complexion on what she had always accepted. Did she almost see the weaves, or did she really see? Sometimes she thought she felt the channeling, too. Even sui'dam had to undergo the yearly testing, until their twenty-fifth naming day, and she had passed by failing every time. Only. . . . There would be a new testing after Renna and Seta were discovered, a new testing to find the marath'damane who somehow had evaded the first. The Empire itself might tremble before such a blow. And with the image of Renna and Seta burned into her brain, she had known with total certainty that after those tests, Bethamin Zeami would no longer be a respected citizen. Instead, a damane called Bethamin would serve the Empire.
The shame curdled in her still. She had placed personal fears ahead of the needs of the Empire, ahead of everything she knew to be right and true and good. Battle came to Faime, and nightmare, but she had not rushed to complete herself with a damane and join the battle line. Instead, she had used the confusion to secure a horse and flee, to run as hard and as far as she could.
Seanchan and Tear both dislike AS, specifically. The history of Seanchan makes that understandable, but realistically they don't view damane as inherently evil, only those who name themselves AS. Meanwhile the Whitcloaks are not something a person is born into. It attracts men who hate AS and Channeling in their bones. They choose to join an organization that opposes not just AS, but anyone who can Channel and names them creatures of the DO. Sure they are a political entity and likely many even wind up joining the ranks of the WC as a path to power, but they could not follow a man who could channel and still BE Whitecloaks.
Dragonsworn are as often as not ruffians and discontent (look what rabble Masema gathered). The more educated people who've joined with Rand do so because they know he has to win for humanity to continue. The others (out on Almoth Plain for instance) seemed to be either someones pawns or looking to grab power, note how none of them actually joined Rand at any point.
Domani Drag Queen in the White Tower ... Aran'gar watch out!
Is there anyone who *doesn't* think Galad can channel?
05/06/2010 02:36:20 AM
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It is just describing what a person goes through in a heightened sensory mode. He can't channel. *NM*
05/06/2010 02:49:39 AM
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Re: Is there anyone who *doesn't* think Galad can channel?
05/06/2010 03:17:56 AM
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He cannot. This passage is similar to one in New Spring
05/06/2010 03:36:19 AM
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uh, me. and thousands of others. it's called the void, which tam can do. *NM*
05/06/2010 07:09:52 AM
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Wait?? Tam must have some channeling genes since Rand is his son.... *NM*
05/06/2010 06:21:40 PM
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On the fence
05/06/2010 12:44:45 PM
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Re: On the fence
06/06/2010 02:22:35 AM
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Re: On the fence
06/06/2010 03:27:54 AM
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They still see channelers as Dark Friends.
10/06/2010 03:51:44 PM
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More likely they'd do what the Seanchan would when/if Tuon Channels
13/06/2010 12:21:12 PM
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As you pointed out
13/06/2010 02:08:34 PM
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Only for the short term
13/06/2010 02:48:54 PM
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Perhaps. Perhaps not. Nothing is completely static.
13/06/2010 05:41:59 PM
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right, cause in a few months they are going to change more tahn 1000 years of doctrine *NM*
13/06/2010 10:32:56 PM
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Yes. Exactly. In three days two Aiel clans ended a blood feud.
14/06/2010 03:14:42 AM
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None of these situations is really the same
14/06/2010 03:18:59 PM
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Re: None of these situations is really the same
14/06/2010 03:38:42 PM
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I think you are overstating the situations below
14/06/2010 06:02:12 PM
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Nonesense. The Sul'Dam hadn't started channeling.
14/06/2010 07:26:12 PM
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The sul'dam who have realized what they are know it's just a matter of time
14/06/2010 07:50:52 PM
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As sul'Dam they need to be taught to channel.
14/06/2010 10:38:33 PM
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hello, Seta and Bethamin took the leap on their own. sul'dam are right at the edge
15/06/2010 01:48:25 AM
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