There's no confusion. This was clarified years ago by RJ, incidentally.
Neither Maria nor RJ use the expression "parallel world" in the strict geometric sense like Verin did, she's just means these worlds aren't Mirrors but "real" universes just as real as the one humans inhabit.
Verin draw these worlds as perpendiculars in her metaphor, to mean these worlds follow a course of their own and were not reflections of the human world, that together their form the wharf and woof of reality. Her imagery was very human centric (and flawed - the way she puts it, the relationship between the other realms would be similar to the Mirror Worlds to the human world), and of course it was just an image, derived from channelling the OP, like the rest (the channellers have developped this imagery that reality is woven together, like they weave flows of the OP). The realms aren't perpendicular or parallel for real. There are parallel realms like the Ogier's, the human's, the Finns. All these worlds are multi-dimensional (ie: mirrored infinitely), like the human one. The realms are all tied by tel'aran'rhiod.
The Bore is global, with a physical manifestation at SG (at the cosmic level, the Bore is a global weakening of the Pattern, within the Pattern itself, where there are rules of space/time and reality, this is manifested as the Pit, SG and has bled into the Blight etc.). The Bore is reflected in all the Mirror Worlds too, and they're affected by the global weakening like everything else in the Pattern. We don't know if the Realms other than the human one (ie: Finns, Ogier etc.) also have a physical manifestation too (different from SG), or if they are affected only by the global effect that weakens the Pattern.
I'm leaning toward option 2, if only because it may explain why Ogier have been translated into the human world, and why the Finns are interested in Mat. I think the two realms are affected by the DO, but they can't do anything to fix it up in their own worlds. The Ogier who've been translated are there to do their part to fight Shai'tan before they return to their realm. The Finns intend to use Mat to do their part, whatever they intend it to be. I think it's why they use Moiraine as bait to bring him back to them right before TG. It could be anything, from giving him powers or knowledge, to using their link to him to affect the himan world, to needing him to open the ToG when he leaves so they can come in the human world en masse to fight the LB too (if the ToG is a barrier, they may need Mat to agree to re open it for them in order to go back to their realm after TG, or something in this vein).
Neither Maria nor RJ use the expression "parallel world" in the strict geometric sense like Verin did, she's just means these worlds aren't Mirrors but "real" universes just as real as the one humans inhabit.
Verin draw these worlds as perpendiculars in her metaphor, to mean these worlds follow a course of their own and were not reflections of the human world, that together their form the wharf and woof of reality. Her imagery was very human centric (and flawed - the way she puts it, the relationship between the other realms would be similar to the Mirror Worlds to the human world), and of course it was just an image, derived from channelling the OP, like the rest (the channellers have developped this imagery that reality is woven together, like they weave flows of the OP). The realms aren't perpendicular or parallel for real. There are parallel realms like the Ogier's, the human's, the Finns. All these worlds are multi-dimensional (ie: mirrored infinitely), like the human one. The realms are all tied by tel'aran'rhiod.
The Bore is global, with a physical manifestation at SG (at the cosmic level, the Bore is a global weakening of the Pattern, within the Pattern itself, where there are rules of space/time and reality, this is manifested as the Pit, SG and has bled into the Blight etc.). The Bore is reflected in all the Mirror Worlds too, and they're affected by the global weakening like everything else in the Pattern. We don't know if the Realms other than the human one (ie: Finns, Ogier etc.) also have a physical manifestation too (different from SG), or if they are affected only by the global effect that weakens the Pattern.
I'm leaning toward option 2, if only because it may explain why Ogier have been translated into the human world, and why the Finns are interested in Mat. I think the two realms are affected by the DO, but they can't do anything to fix it up in their own worlds. The Ogier who've been translated are there to do their part to fight Shai'tan before they return to their realm. The Finns intend to use Mat to do their part, whatever they intend it to be. I think it's why they use Moiraine as bait to bring him back to them right before TG. It could be anything, from giving him powers or knowledge, to using their link to him to affect the himan world, to needing him to open the ToG when he leaves so they can come in the human world en masse to fight the LB too (if the ToG is a barrier, they may need Mat to agree to re open it for them in order to go back to their realm after TG, or something in this vein).
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Several good MAFOs from Dragonmount
10/06/2010 07:07:55 PM
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Maria's answer to question 20 is ground-breaking!
10/06/2010 07:36:40 PM
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No, it merely means that the Bell Curve does not refer to absolute strength...
10/06/2010 07:42:31 PM
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See the question again man!
10/06/2010 07:48:57 PM
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That contradicts your assertion that Moiraine is stronger than the average woman...
10/06/2010 07:50:11 PM
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I need to re-evaluate nothing!
10/06/2010 07:46:20 PM
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Think logically for a moment...
10/06/2010 07:49:10 PM
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Who said Egwene is twice as strong as Moiraine?
10/06/2010 07:52:27 PM
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Aviendha did in FoH...
10/06/2010 07:54:32 PM
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Nope!
10/06/2010 07:55:55 PM
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Your quotes are faulty
10/06/2010 07:57:18 PM
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In what sense though?
10/06/2010 07:59:00 PM
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Forkroot
10/06/2010 08:04:50 PM
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Again... later that night?
10/06/2010 08:05:39 PM
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What do you mean?
10/06/2010 08:07:24 PM
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See below...
10/06/2010 08:11:24 PM
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Re: See below...
10/06/2010 08:12:34 PM
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I just did.
10/06/2010 08:16:09 PM
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Well then we disagree
10/06/2010 08:18:10 PM
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BUT WHAT ABOUT LATER IN THE NIGHT!
10/06/2010 08:20:21 PM
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Ah, you mean later later ...
10/06/2010 08:29:59 PM
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Forkroot wears off, you know?
10/06/2010 08:45:33 PM
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Yes I know
10/06/2010 09:05:29 PM
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I've explained it before in this thread...
10/06/2010 09:17:10 PM
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Re: I've explained it before in this thread...
10/06/2010 09:37:39 PM
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Re: I've explained it before in this thread...
10/06/2010 09:51:40 PM
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Re: I've explained it before in this thread...
10/06/2010 10:05:37 PM
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Are you sure you're feeling fine?
10/06/2010 10:18:44 PM
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RJ writes that Amys cannot hold Egwene. BS writes that Barasene can. Who are you gonna believe?
10/06/2010 08:31:35 PM
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It wasn't BS... both were RJ!
10/06/2010 08:41:54 PM
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In that case, there is no problem...
10/06/2010 08:45:05 PM
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But that isn't what the text says...
10/06/2010 08:57:42 PM
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How can Egwene be strong enough to overcome Katerine and Silviana together then?
10/06/2010 09:07:36 PM
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Yeah, both were RJ
10/06/2010 08:49:13 PM
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Yeah yeah... RJ lied, Maria lied. Only you make sense. I'm finished with this debate.
10/06/2010 08:59:06 PM
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10/06/2010 09:07:52 PM
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Really?
10/06/2010 09:29:22 PM
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Re: Really?
10/06/2010 09:39:21 PM
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Here's what is clear:
10/06/2010 09:02:41 PM
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IMO it's easy to disprove
10/06/2010 09:22:23 PM
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Dude...
10/06/2010 09:27:34 PM
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At least we agree on one thing
10/06/2010 09:29:14 PM
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yet 4 women can still hold Rand in LoC ... he can't break the Shield until it's down to 3
13/06/2010 12:47:43 PM
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Have to agree with Sidious on this point
11/06/2010 02:49:58 AM
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The rate forkroot wears off?
16/06/2010 12:36:38 PM
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You missed that she isn't being given Forkroot at night at all!
16/06/2010 04:47:59 PM
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Maria's other answer adresses this...
10/06/2010 08:14:54 PM
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Then one Aes Sedai cannot shield her. But one did.
10/06/2010 08:16:41 PM
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You can be much weaker than someone, and hold them shielded, if they are already cut off...
10/06/2010 08:19:15 PM
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But, if you are much stronger, you can break that shield...
10/06/2010 08:22:25 PM
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Easy...
10/06/2010 08:24:59 PM
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What has that got to do with it?
10/06/2010 08:32:56 PM
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Amys is not LESS than half of Egwene's strength. You cannot hold someone if you are LESS than half..
10/06/2010 08:47:41 PM
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Amys is as strong as Moiraine, at the most one level lower. Barasine is weaker than Katarine, who...
10/06/2010 09:00:26 PM
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I can agree with that.
10/06/2010 09:09:07 PM
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...
10/06/2010 09:12:21 PM
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Agreed, but...
10/06/2010 09:13:59 PM
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Re: Agreed, but...
10/06/2010 09:16:30 PM
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Good point...
10/06/2010 09:18:53 PM
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Or, you know, you can have the grace to question your antiquated strength list...
10/06/2010 09:22:51 PM
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I'd be perfectly happy to adjust my list if it made sense
10/06/2010 09:32:35 PM
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Uhhh?
10/06/2010 09:41:59 PM
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Re: Uhhh?
10/06/2010 09:48:58 PM
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DUDE!
10/06/2010 09:58:59 PM
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Rand seems to shield Egwene and Elayne TOGETHER, pretty easily...
10/06/2010 09:54:03 PM
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That's fairly simple, actually...
10/06/2010 10:08:53 PM
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Nope. Rand was also cut off from the Source when he broke a shield held by 3 Aes Sedai...
10/06/2010 11:18:41 PM
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Because that channeler is much stronger? I'm not getting your confusion here. *NM*
10/06/2010 11:27:31 PM
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Your Aes Sedai are close to the average woman in strength, right...
10/06/2010 11:42:01 PM
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No, here's the quote: I hate having to pull out my books with their yellowed pages...
10/06/2010 08:01:54 PM
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Why would she need surprise against two? That was against five of them...
10/06/2010 08:04:57 PM
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Very poor evidence
10/06/2010 08:11:26 PM
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no she said Egwene is stronger than Amys and Melaine combined
11/06/2010 12:46:29 AM
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The actual quote says Amys and Melaine combined...
11/06/2010 12:25:07 PM
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Here's the problem with that...
11/06/2010 12:42:41 PM
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I think you are misreading her.
10/06/2010 07:47:06 PM
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Please explain what you mean by "channeler" and "power" distribution. *NM*
10/06/2010 09:23:36 PM
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Re: Please explain what you mean by "channeler" and "power" distribution.
10/06/2010 10:11:23 PM
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Yes. You can't extrapolate a generalized macro level scale to micro level individuals.
11/06/2010 12:16:24 AM
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I don't agree
10/06/2010 07:49:41 PM
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BAH! Its infuriating how you have so many blinders... Eerily Aes Sedai of you.
10/06/2010 07:54:23 PM
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Hmm...
10/06/2010 07:55:59 PM
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Because of the question to which she responded...
10/06/2010 07:57:55 PM
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Re: Because of the question to which she responded...
10/06/2010 08:06:16 PM
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Without contradicting the latter...
10/06/2010 08:15:11 PM
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Ah well
10/06/2010 08:20:32 PM
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Great! Two of my OP strength ideas have been solidified!
10/06/2010 07:39:53 PM
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Nope...
10/06/2010 07:46:31 PM
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Who said Cadsuane was 50?
10/06/2010 07:51:14 PM
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So how can Egwene be twice as strong as Moiraine, if Moiraine is at 55?
10/06/2010 07:53:11 PM
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She cannot be because she isn't. Silviana can shield Egwene alone, for God's sake. So can Amys!
10/06/2010 07:56:26 PM
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Amys can't hold her properly
10/06/2010 07:59:47 PM
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What about later that night?
10/06/2010 08:02:16 PM
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No she didn't
16/06/2010 03:02:21 PM
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No she didn't what?
16/06/2010 04:46:05 PM
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Re: No she didn't what?
17/06/2010 06:16:16 AM
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Why do you think it's a linear scale?
16/06/2010 05:25:56 AM
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That's simple...
16/06/2010 06:36:44 AM
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Re: That's simple...
16/06/2010 12:27:07 PM
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Your concept is not mathematically right. So yeah, forget discussing it.
16/06/2010 04:41:13 PM
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Dang, Cyndane isn't using Cabriana's body.
10/06/2010 08:25:20 PM
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The blue flash RAFO irritates me- I can't see how that will be relevant. The Min thing was new
10/06/2010 08:50:52 PM
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RJ already RAFOed the incident with Thom's knives/daggers before
10/06/2010 08:57:52 PM
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It isn't, unless she's implying the Creator helped him out or some other such thing
11/06/2010 12:56:49 AM
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Just to make things clear on the strength thing...
10/06/2010 09:08:02 PM
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It is possible Maria was answering the first question and ignoring the second...
10/06/2010 09:29:59 PM
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That still proves my point...
10/06/2010 09:33:10 PM
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Re: That still proves my point...
10/06/2010 09:45:39 PM
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Then why...
10/06/2010 10:00:00 PM
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Re: Then why...
10/06/2010 10:07:56 PM
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God, what stupidity!
10/06/2010 10:10:32 PM
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Re: God, what stupidity!
10/06/2010 10:16:38 PM
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It doesn't have to be 1-100.
10/06/2010 10:32:17 PM
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Re: It doesn't have to be 1-100.
10/06/2010 10:41:02 PM
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That's a mathematical impossibility...
10/06/2010 11:26:23 PM
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Just popping in. I think you're arguing over non-existent delineations.
11/06/2010 12:44:40 AM
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You know, these things always end up pissing me off.
11/06/2010 12:25:05 AM
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Re: You know, these things always end up pissing me off.
11/06/2010 03:22:53 AM
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Re: You know, these things always end up pissing me off.
11/06/2010 12:29:37 PM
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I agree
11/06/2010 01:14:36 PM
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Re: I agree
12/06/2010 03:02:32 PM
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BS didn't answer with "Read and find out"
12/06/2010 03:28:05 PM
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We were speaking about Maria giving a RAFO on the topic, not Sanderson. *NM*
13/06/2010 12:05:17 AM
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Actually she said "No"... *NM*
13/06/2010 01:06:18 AM
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I'll rephrase then. It was about Maria saying that she considered giving a RAFO on the question.
13/06/2010 01:44:19 AM
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Eh, practically useless.
14/06/2010 11:50:06 PM
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I agree. I think she is saving the good stuff for the encyclopedia. *NM*
15/06/2010 04:17:07 PM
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Yeah. I do think she's taking advantage of these poor saps, though.
17/06/2010 03:52:33 PM
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