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How can you agree with it? Sidious Send a noteboard - 10/06/2010 09:13:55 PM
is weaker than Moiraine.

Meaning whether we use your scale or mine, there needs to be a non-strength explanation for why Barasine can hold Egwene and Amys cannot.


Barasine must then be better at making shields than Amys is.


What about Egwene? That was in TSR. It's seven books later and Egwene has grown significantly in strength and skill.
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Several good MAFOs from Dragonmount Etzel - 10/06/2010 07:07:55 PM 2285 Views
Some good RAFOs here Skeeve the Great - 10/06/2010 07:31:56 PM 1036 Views
Yeah... Etzel - 10/06/2010 07:36:55 PM 924 Views
Maria's answer to question 20 is ground-breaking! Logain - 10/06/2010 07:36:40 PM 1212 Views
No, it merely means that the Bell Curve does not refer to absolute strength... Shannow - 10/06/2010 07:42:31 PM 1073 Views
See the question again man! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:48:57 PM 1041 Views
That contradicts your assertion that Moiraine is stronger than the average woman... Shannow - 10/06/2010 07:50:11 PM 1134 Views
How? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:54:41 PM 1059 Views
I need to re-evaluate nothing! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:46:20 PM 1059 Views
Think logically for a moment... Shannow - 10/06/2010 07:49:10 PM 895 Views
Who said Egwene is twice as strong as Moiraine? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:52:27 PM 1142 Views
Aviendha did in FoH... Shannow - 10/06/2010 07:54:32 PM 887 Views
Nope! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:55:55 PM 1058 Views
Your quotes are faulty Sidious - 10/06/2010 07:57:18 PM 1067 Views
In what sense though? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:59:00 PM 1059 Views
Forkroot Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:04:50 PM 997 Views
Again... later that night? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:05:39 PM 868 Views
What do you mean? Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:07:24 PM 1048 Views
See below... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:11:24 PM 924 Views
Re: See below... Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:12:34 PM 994 Views
I just did. fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:16:09 PM 829 Views
Well then we disagree Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:18:10 PM 1029 Views
BUT WHAT ABOUT LATER IN THE NIGHT! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:20:21 PM 869 Views
Ah, you mean later later ... Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:29:59 PM 969 Views
Forkroot wears off, you know? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:45:33 PM 1062 Views
Yes I know Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:05:29 PM 1070 Views
I've explained it before in this thread... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:17:10 PM 1047 Views
Re: I've explained it before in this thread... Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:37:39 PM 1040 Views
Re: I've explained it before in this thread... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:51:40 PM 973 Views
Re: I've explained it before in this thread... Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:05:37 PM 1001 Views
Are you sure you're feeling fine? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:18:44 PM 1062 Views
Re: Are you sure you're feeling fine? Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:29:04 PM 1164 Views
Re: Are you sure you're feeling fine? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:47:00 PM 963 Views
RJ writes that Amys cannot hold Egwene. BS writes that Barasene can. Who are you gonna believe? Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:31:35 PM 883 Views
It wasn't BS... both were RJ! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:41:54 PM 967 Views
In that case, there is no problem... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:45:05 PM 981 Views
But that isn't what the text says... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:57:42 PM 841 Views
How can Egwene be strong enough to overcome Katerine and Silviana together then? Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:07:36 PM 1078 Views
She also says Egwene is Aes Sedai in the same sentence... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:25:16 PM 1102 Views
Yeah, both were RJ Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:49:13 PM 950 Views
Yeah yeah... RJ lied, Maria lied. Only you make sense. I'm finished with this debate. fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:59:06 PM 1043 Views
Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:07:52 PM 1026 Views
Really? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:29:22 PM 897 Views
Re: Really? Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:39:21 PM 1003 Views
Re: Really? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:43:41 PM 885 Views
Re: Really? Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:50:23 PM 1049 Views
I haven't refuted? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:53:17 PM 1074 Views
Here's what is clear: Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:02:41 PM 946 Views
IMO it's easy to disprove Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:22:23 PM 926 Views
Dude... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:27:34 PM 833 Views
At least we agree on one thing Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:29:14 PM 946 Views
No... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:32:06 PM 873 Views
Re: No... Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:43:59 PM 1026 Views
fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:57:25 PM 873 Views
Re: Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:12:29 PM 971 Views
Re: fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:34:28 PM 984 Views
Thought on this darius_sedai - 13/06/2010 01:09:29 PM 897 Views
yet 4 women can still hold Rand in LoC ... he can't break the Shield until it's down to 3 darius_sedai - 13/06/2010 12:47:43 PM 782 Views
Have to agree with Sidious on this point darius_sedai - 11/06/2010 02:49:58 AM 881 Views
That was kind of my point... fionwe1987 - 11/06/2010 12:19:23 PM 610 Views
of course Katerine would have complained darius_sedai - 12/06/2010 12:53:31 PM 1002 Views
The rate forkroot wears off? Rurouni_Kenshin - 16/06/2010 12:36:38 PM 958 Views
You missed that she isn't being given Forkroot at night at all! fionwe1987 - 16/06/2010 04:47:59 PM 897 Views
Typos, screwed up what I meant Rurouni_Kenshin - 17/06/2010 02:31:50 AM 906 Views
You are... fionwe1987 - 17/06/2010 04:32:47 AM 1123 Views
Maria's other answer adresses this... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:14:54 PM 779 Views
Then one Aes Sedai cannot shield her. But one did. fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:16:41 PM 903 Views
You can be much weaker than someone, and hold them shielded, if they are already cut off... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:19:15 PM 878 Views
But, if you are much stronger, you can break that shield... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:22:25 PM 895 Views
Easy... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:24:59 PM 858 Views
What has that got to do with it? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:32:56 PM 1046 Views
Amys is not LESS than half of Egwene's strength. You cannot hold someone if you are LESS than half.. Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:47:41 PM 959 Views
Amys is as strong as Moiraine, at the most one level lower. Barasine is weaker than Katarine, who... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:00:26 PM 1089 Views
I can agree with that. Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:09:07 PM 847 Views
How can you agree with it? Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:13:55 PM 1047 Views
I'm thinking Berowin here... Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:16:41 PM 1051 Views
Exactly. fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:18:19 PM 906 Views
... Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:12:21 PM 826 Views
Agreed, but... Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:13:59 PM 1002 Views
Re: Agreed, but... Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:16:30 PM 799 Views
Good point... Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:18:53 PM 1012 Views
Or, you know, you're wrong? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:27:55 PM 879 Views
Re: Good point... Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:28:02 PM 1085 Views
We've had this discussion before darius_sedai - 13/06/2010 01:59:34 PM 983 Views
Or, you know, you can have the grace to question your antiquated strength list... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:22:51 PM 876 Views
The Bell Curve fits perfectly if one simple fact is true... Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:31:31 PM 833 Views
Or, you know, you can stop misinterpreting Aviendha... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:40:05 PM 957 Views
I'd be perfectly happy to adjust my list if it made sense Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:32:35 PM 824 Views
Uhhh? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:41:59 PM 822 Views
Re: Uhhh? Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:48:58 PM 823 Views
DUDE! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:58:59 PM 852 Views
Re: DUDE! Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:09:11 PM 807 Views
I explained... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:27:44 PM 837 Views
Re: I explained... Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:45:58 PM 956 Views
Rand seems to shield Egwene and Elayne TOGETHER, pretty easily... Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:54:03 PM 1428 Views
That's fairly simple, actually... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:08:53 PM 1075 Views
Nope. Rand was also cut off from the Source when he broke a shield held by 3 Aes Sedai... Shannow - 10/06/2010 11:18:41 PM 1027 Views
Because that channeler is much stronger? I'm not getting your confusion here. *NM* fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 11:27:31 PM 495 Views
Your Aes Sedai are close to the average woman in strength, right... Shannow - 10/06/2010 11:42:01 PM 1088 Views
You are making a couple of mistakes darius_sedai - 13/06/2010 02:28:41 PM 946 Views
You're missing an important point... fionwe1987 - 14/06/2010 11:10:55 PM 936 Views
Yes, what do you mean? You are actually proving our point... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:10:50 PM 808 Views
No, here's the quote: I hate having to pull out my books with their yellowed pages... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:01:54 PM 869 Views
Why would she need surprise against two? That was against five of them... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:04:57 PM 886 Views
That makes no sense whatsoever... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:06:53 PM 852 Views
Simply this... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:13:42 PM 871 Views
Very poor evidence Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:11:26 PM 1004 Views
No it isn't... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:18:09 PM 949 Views
Re: No it isn't... Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:32:17 PM 1025 Views
no she said Egwene is stronger than Amys and Melaine combined darius_sedai - 11/06/2010 12:46:29 AM 949 Views
The actual quote says Amys and Melaine combined... Shannow - 11/06/2010 12:25:07 PM 997 Views
Here's the problem with that... fionwe1987 - 11/06/2010 12:42:41 PM 856 Views
Linked circles are more effective than individual channelers... Shannow - 11/06/2010 01:57:43 PM 954 Views
That much stronger? fionwe1987 - 14/06/2010 11:06:18 PM 1013 Views
On this we agree. darius_sedai - 13/06/2010 02:34:45 PM 834 Views
I think you are misreading her. Skeeve the Great - 10/06/2010 07:47:06 PM 818 Views
Bingo *NM* Sidious - 10/06/2010 07:51:29 PM 583 Views
Please explain what you mean by "channeler" and "power" distribution. *NM* Logain - 10/06/2010 09:23:36 PM 534 Views
Re: Please explain what you mean by "channeler" and "power" distribution. Skeeve the Great - 10/06/2010 10:11:23 PM 1046 Views
Yes. You can't extrapolate a generalized macro level scale to micro level individuals. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 11/06/2010 12:16:24 AM 887 Views
I don't agree Sidious - 10/06/2010 07:49:41 PM 872 Views
BAH! Its infuriating how you have so many blinders... Eerily Aes Sedai of you. fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:54:23 PM 1011 Views
Hmm... Sidious - 10/06/2010 07:55:59 PM 788 Views
Because of the question to which she responded... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:57:55 PM 822 Views
Re: Because of the question to which she responded... Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:06:16 PM 958 Views
Without contradicting the latter... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:15:11 PM 855 Views
Ah well Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:20:32 PM 827 Views
Which is even more evidence... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:23:28 PM 931 Views
Dude Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:30:57 PM 1039 Views
It isn't omission fionwe1987 - 14/06/2010 10:54:47 PM 1009 Views
omg not this again *NM* BlackAdder - 10/06/2010 07:52:26 PM 967 Views
Great! Two of my OP strength ideas have been solidified! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:39:53 PM 1079 Views
Nope... Shannow - 10/06/2010 07:46:31 PM 937 Views
Who said Cadsuane was 50? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:51:14 PM 971 Views
So how can Egwene be twice as strong as Moiraine, if Moiraine is at 55? Shannow - 10/06/2010 07:53:11 PM 833 Views
She cannot be because she isn't. Silviana can shield Egwene alone, for God's sake. So can Amys! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:56:26 PM 777 Views
Amys can't hold her properly Sidious - 10/06/2010 07:59:47 PM 813 Views
What about later that night? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:02:16 PM 816 Views
No she didn't darius_sedai - 16/06/2010 03:02:21 PM 929 Views
No she didn't what? fionwe1987 - 16/06/2010 04:46:05 PM 984 Views
Re: No she didn't what? darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 06:16:16 AM 820 Views
Re: No she didn't what? fionwe1987 - 17/06/2010 06:02:57 PM 975 Views
you are arguing in a circle darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 06:31:19 PM 1299 Views
Why do you think it's a linear scale? Rurouni_Kenshin - 16/06/2010 05:25:56 AM 945 Views
That's simple... fionwe1987 - 16/06/2010 06:36:44 AM 897 Views
Re: That's simple... Rurouni_Kenshin - 16/06/2010 12:27:07 PM 852 Views
Your concept is not mathematically right. So yeah, forget discussing it. fionwe1987 - 16/06/2010 04:41:13 PM 1037 Views
Dang, Cyndane isn't using Cabriana's body. Gher - 10/06/2010 08:25:20 PM 886 Views
But they didn't look alike anyway. *NM* Etzel - 10/06/2010 08:59:35 PM 582 Views
Eh, yeah. Gher - 12/06/2010 08:24:10 PM 825 Views
The blue flash RAFO irritates me- I can't see how that will be relevant. The Min thing was new beetnemesis - 10/06/2010 08:50:52 PM 1017 Views
RJ already RAFOed the incident with Thom's knives/daggers before Etzel - 10/06/2010 08:57:52 PM 1101 Views
They RAFO way too much. Tom - 11/06/2010 12:25:56 AM 817 Views
It isn't, unless she's implying the Creator helped him out or some other such thing RugbyPlayingAshaman - 11/06/2010 12:56:49 AM 848 Views
Just to make things clear on the strength thing... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:08:02 PM 1127 Views
It is possible Maria was answering the first question and ignoring the second... Logain - 10/06/2010 09:29:59 PM 856 Views
That still proves my point... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:33:10 PM 1027 Views
Re: That still proves my point... Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:45:39 PM 883 Views
Then why... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:00:00 PM 980 Views
Re: Then why... Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:07:56 PM 854 Views
God, what stupidity! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:10:32 PM 844 Views
Re: God, what stupidity! Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:16:38 PM 947 Views
It doesn't have to be 1-100. fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:32:17 PM 896 Views
Re: It doesn't have to be 1-100. Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:41:02 PM 1170 Views
That's a mathematical impossibility... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 11:26:23 PM 1004 Views
Just popping in. I think you're arguing over non-existent delineations. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 11/06/2010 12:44:40 AM 937 Views
You're pretty much agreeing with me, you know? fionwe1987 - 11/06/2010 12:32:44 PM 902 Views
Yes. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/06/2010 10:31:00 PM 1013 Views
Re: Just to make things clear on the strength thing... Bored - 14/06/2010 11:21:31 PM 1228 Views
Huh? fionwe1987 - 14/06/2010 11:48:43 PM 822 Views
Also interesting... Etzel - 10/06/2010 09:38:27 PM 967 Views
I'm even more confused (parallel worlds and the Pattern) entyti - 10/06/2010 09:48:17 PM 939 Views
Nah,... DomA - 11/06/2010 11:38:20 AM 928 Views
Fascinating! entyti - 13/06/2010 02:30:42 AM 945 Views
You know, these things always end up pissing me off. Tom - 11/06/2010 12:25:05 AM 924 Views
I think she's saving that info for her WoT Encyclopedia. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 11/06/2010 12:54:38 AM 989 Views
Re: You know, these things always end up pissing me off. TaskmasterJack - 11/06/2010 03:22:53 AM 1031 Views
Re: You know, these things always end up pissing me off. DomA - 11/06/2010 12:29:37 PM 965 Views
I agree Etzel - 11/06/2010 01:14:36 PM 1076 Views
Re: I agree TaskmasterJack - 12/06/2010 03:02:32 PM 855 Views
BS didn't answer with "Read and find out" Etzel - 12/06/2010 03:28:05 PM 898 Views
We were speaking about Maria giving a RAFO on the topic, not Sanderson. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 13/06/2010 12:05:17 AM 511 Views
Actually she said "No"... *NM* Etzel - 13/06/2010 01:06:18 AM 607 Views
I'll rephrase then. It was about Maria saying that she considered giving a RAFO on the question. TaskmasterJack - 13/06/2010 01:44:19 AM 901 Views
Yeah, sorry for the rolly-eyed smiley! Was a bit mean... Etzel - 13/06/2010 09:19:13 AM 908 Views
I agree with Jack and Sidious and not with you. Tom - 11/06/2010 03:20:30 PM 995 Views
Well, on the Thom question... Etzel - 11/06/2010 08:25:09 AM 883 Views
Yeah Sidious - 11/06/2010 08:26:33 AM 989 Views
Re: Yeah darius_sedai - 15/06/2010 12:25:21 AM 843 Views
Eh, practically useless. callandor1000 - 14/06/2010 11:50:06 PM 844 Views
I agree. I think she is saving the good stuff for the encyclopedia. *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/06/2010 04:17:07 PM 478 Views
Yeah. I do think she's taking advantage of these poor saps, though. callandor1000 - 17/06/2010 03:52:33 PM 1429 Views
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