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But, if you are much stronger, you can break that shield... fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 10/06/2010 08:22:25 PM
Rand says no three Aes Sedai can hold him. By your definition, three Aes Sedai should together be at strength 60. They should be able to hold him, if a woman less than half as strong as Egwene can hold her. But Rand breaks a shield held by four women!

Explain that to me then.
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Several good MAFOs from Dragonmount Etzel - 10/06/2010 07:07:55 PM 2202 Views
Some good RAFOs here Skeeve the Great - 10/06/2010 07:31:56 PM 968 Views
Yeah... Etzel - 10/06/2010 07:36:55 PM 887 Views
Maria's answer to question 20 is ground-breaking! Logain - 10/06/2010 07:36:40 PM 1126 Views
No, it merely means that the Bell Curve does not refer to absolute strength... Shannow - 10/06/2010 07:42:31 PM 1003 Views
See the question again man! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:48:57 PM 963 Views
That contradicts your assertion that Moiraine is stronger than the average woman... Shannow - 10/06/2010 07:50:11 PM 1041 Views
How? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:54:41 PM 981 Views
I need to re-evaluate nothing! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:46:20 PM 975 Views
Think logically for a moment... Shannow - 10/06/2010 07:49:10 PM 820 Views
Who said Egwene is twice as strong as Moiraine? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:52:27 PM 1065 Views
Aviendha did in FoH... Shannow - 10/06/2010 07:54:32 PM 821 Views
Nope! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:55:55 PM 983 Views
Your quotes are faulty Sidious - 10/06/2010 07:57:18 PM 997 Views
In what sense though? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:59:00 PM 987 Views
Forkroot Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:04:50 PM 921 Views
Again... later that night? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:05:39 PM 769 Views
What do you mean? Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:07:24 PM 973 Views
See below... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:11:24 PM 887 Views
Re: See below... Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:12:34 PM 933 Views
I just did. fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:16:09 PM 750 Views
Well then we disagree Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:18:10 PM 950 Views
BUT WHAT ABOUT LATER IN THE NIGHT! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:20:21 PM 800 Views
Ah, you mean later later ... Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:29:59 PM 895 Views
Forkroot wears off, you know? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:45:33 PM 995 Views
Yes I know Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:05:29 PM 985 Views
I've explained it before in this thread... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:17:10 PM 973 Views
Re: I've explained it before in this thread... Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:37:39 PM 965 Views
Re: I've explained it before in this thread... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:51:40 PM 901 Views
Re: I've explained it before in this thread... Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:05:37 PM 927 Views
Are you sure you're feeling fine? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:18:44 PM 994 Views
Re: Are you sure you're feeling fine? Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:29:04 PM 1094 Views
Re: Are you sure you're feeling fine? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:47:00 PM 886 Views
RJ writes that Amys cannot hold Egwene. BS writes that Barasene can. Who are you gonna believe? Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:31:35 PM 813 Views
It wasn't BS... both were RJ! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:41:54 PM 892 Views
In that case, there is no problem... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:45:05 PM 862 Views
But that isn't what the text says... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:57:42 PM 770 Views
How can Egwene be strong enough to overcome Katerine and Silviana together then? Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:07:36 PM 972 Views
She also says Egwene is Aes Sedai in the same sentence... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:25:16 PM 1013 Views
Yeah, both were RJ Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:49:13 PM 879 Views
Yeah yeah... RJ lied, Maria lied. Only you make sense. I'm finished with this debate. fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:59:06 PM 977 Views
Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:07:52 PM 948 Views
Really? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:29:22 PM 829 Views
Re: Really? Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:39:21 PM 934 Views
Re: Really? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:43:41 PM 797 Views
Re: Really? Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:50:23 PM 973 Views
I haven't refuted? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:53:17 PM 999 Views
Here's what is clear: Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:02:41 PM 867 Views
IMO it's easy to disprove Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:22:23 PM 856 Views
Dude... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:27:34 PM 773 Views
At least we agree on one thing Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:29:14 PM 865 Views
No... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:32:06 PM 783 Views
Re: No... Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:43:59 PM 953 Views
fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:57:25 PM 797 Views
Re: Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:12:29 PM 905 Views
Re: fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:34:28 PM 908 Views
Thought on this darius_sedai - 13/06/2010 01:09:29 PM 819 Views
yet 4 women can still hold Rand in LoC ... he can't break the Shield until it's down to 3 darius_sedai - 13/06/2010 12:47:43 PM 705 Views
Have to agree with Sidious on this point darius_sedai - 11/06/2010 02:49:58 AM 807 Views
That was kind of my point... fionwe1987 - 11/06/2010 12:19:23 PM 545 Views
of course Katerine would have complained darius_sedai - 12/06/2010 12:53:31 PM 917 Views
The rate forkroot wears off? Rurouni_Kenshin - 16/06/2010 12:36:38 PM 908 Views
You missed that she isn't being given Forkroot at night at all! fionwe1987 - 16/06/2010 04:47:59 PM 825 Views
Typos, screwed up what I meant Rurouni_Kenshin - 17/06/2010 02:31:50 AM 835 Views
You are... fionwe1987 - 17/06/2010 04:32:47 AM 1044 Views
Maria's other answer adresses this... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:14:54 PM 702 Views
Then one Aes Sedai cannot shield her. But one did. fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:16:41 PM 836 Views
You can be much weaker than someone, and hold them shielded, if they are already cut off... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:19:15 PM 801 Views
But, if you are much stronger, you can break that shield... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:22:25 PM 816 Views
Easy... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:24:59 PM 782 Views
What has that got to do with it? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:32:56 PM 966 Views
Amys is not LESS than half of Egwene's strength. You cannot hold someone if you are LESS than half.. Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:47:41 PM 869 Views
Amys is as strong as Moiraine, at the most one level lower. Barasine is weaker than Katarine, who... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:00:26 PM 1013 Views
I can agree with that. Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:09:07 PM 771 Views
How can you agree with it? Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:13:55 PM 981 Views
I'm thinking Berowin here... Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:16:41 PM 973 Views
Exactly. fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:18:19 PM 843 Views
... Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:12:21 PM 752 Views
Agreed, but... Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:13:59 PM 927 Views
Re: Agreed, but... Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:16:30 PM 723 Views
Good point... Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:18:53 PM 943 Views
Or, you know, you're wrong? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:27:55 PM 809 Views
Re: Good point... Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:28:02 PM 1008 Views
We've had this discussion before darius_sedai - 13/06/2010 01:59:34 PM 909 Views
Or, you know, you can have the grace to question your antiquated strength list... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:22:51 PM 810 Views
The Bell Curve fits perfectly if one simple fact is true... Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:31:31 PM 759 Views
Or, you know, you can stop misinterpreting Aviendha... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:40:05 PM 883 Views
I'd be perfectly happy to adjust my list if it made sense Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:32:35 PM 745 Views
Uhhh? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:41:59 PM 758 Views
Re: Uhhh? Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:48:58 PM 758 Views
DUDE! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:58:59 PM 786 Views
Re: DUDE! Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:09:11 PM 770 Views
I explained... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:27:44 PM 765 Views
Re: I explained... Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:45:58 PM 871 Views
Rand seems to shield Egwene and Elayne TOGETHER, pretty easily... Shannow - 10/06/2010 09:54:03 PM 1348 Views
That's fairly simple, actually... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:08:53 PM 981 Views
Nope. Rand was also cut off from the Source when he broke a shield held by 3 Aes Sedai... Shannow - 10/06/2010 11:18:41 PM 960 Views
Because that channeler is much stronger? I'm not getting your confusion here. *NM* fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 11:27:31 PM 470 Views
Your Aes Sedai are close to the average woman in strength, right... Shannow - 10/06/2010 11:42:01 PM 1009 Views
You are making a couple of mistakes darius_sedai - 13/06/2010 02:28:41 PM 876 Views
You're missing an important point... fionwe1987 - 14/06/2010 11:10:55 PM 861 Views
Yes, what do you mean? You are actually proving our point... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:10:50 PM 735 Views
No, here's the quote: I hate having to pull out my books with their yellowed pages... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:01:54 PM 802 Views
Why would she need surprise against two? That was against five of them... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:04:57 PM 820 Views
That makes no sense whatsoever... Shannow - 10/06/2010 08:06:53 PM 781 Views
Simply this... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:13:42 PM 800 Views
Very poor evidence Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:11:26 PM 924 Views
No it isn't... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:18:09 PM 873 Views
Re: No it isn't... Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:32:17 PM 961 Views
no she said Egwene is stronger than Amys and Melaine combined darius_sedai - 11/06/2010 12:46:29 AM 876 Views
The actual quote says Amys and Melaine combined... Shannow - 11/06/2010 12:25:07 PM 932 Views
Here's the problem with that... fionwe1987 - 11/06/2010 12:42:41 PM 785 Views
Linked circles are more effective than individual channelers... Shannow - 11/06/2010 01:57:43 PM 883 Views
That much stronger? fionwe1987 - 14/06/2010 11:06:18 PM 943 Views
On this we agree. darius_sedai - 13/06/2010 02:34:45 PM 768 Views
I think you are misreading her. Skeeve the Great - 10/06/2010 07:47:06 PM 725 Views
Bingo *NM* Sidious - 10/06/2010 07:51:29 PM 553 Views
Please explain what you mean by "channeler" and "power" distribution. *NM* Logain - 10/06/2010 09:23:36 PM 507 Views
Re: Please explain what you mean by "channeler" and "power" distribution. Skeeve the Great - 10/06/2010 10:11:23 PM 967 Views
Yes. You can't extrapolate a generalized macro level scale to micro level individuals. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 11/06/2010 12:16:24 AM 811 Views
I don't agree Sidious - 10/06/2010 07:49:41 PM 796 Views
BAH! Its infuriating how you have so many blinders... Eerily Aes Sedai of you. fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:54:23 PM 901 Views
Hmm... Sidious - 10/06/2010 07:55:59 PM 714 Views
Because of the question to which she responded... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:57:55 PM 756 Views
Re: Because of the question to which she responded... Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:06:16 PM 884 Views
Without contradicting the latter... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:15:11 PM 787 Views
Ah well Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:20:32 PM 750 Views
Which is even more evidence... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:23:28 PM 853 Views
Dude Sidious - 10/06/2010 08:30:57 PM 977 Views
It isn't omission fionwe1987 - 14/06/2010 10:54:47 PM 927 Views
omg not this again *NM* BlackAdder - 10/06/2010 07:52:26 PM 903 Views
Great! Two of my OP strength ideas have been solidified! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:39:53 PM 1005 Views
Nope... Shannow - 10/06/2010 07:46:31 PM 856 Views
Who said Cadsuane was 50? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:51:14 PM 889 Views
So how can Egwene be twice as strong as Moiraine, if Moiraine is at 55? Shannow - 10/06/2010 07:53:11 PM 761 Views
She cannot be because she isn't. Silviana can shield Egwene alone, for God's sake. So can Amys! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 07:56:26 PM 700 Views
Amys can't hold her properly Sidious - 10/06/2010 07:59:47 PM 730 Views
What about later that night? fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 08:02:16 PM 722 Views
No she didn't darius_sedai - 16/06/2010 03:02:21 PM 854 Views
No she didn't what? fionwe1987 - 16/06/2010 04:46:05 PM 909 Views
Re: No she didn't what? darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 06:16:16 AM 742 Views
Re: No she didn't what? fionwe1987 - 17/06/2010 06:02:57 PM 903 Views
you are arguing in a circle darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 06:31:19 PM 1220 Views
Why do you think it's a linear scale? Rurouni_Kenshin - 16/06/2010 05:25:56 AM 875 Views
That's simple... fionwe1987 - 16/06/2010 06:36:44 AM 827 Views
Re: That's simple... Rurouni_Kenshin - 16/06/2010 12:27:07 PM 774 Views
Your concept is not mathematically right. So yeah, forget discussing it. fionwe1987 - 16/06/2010 04:41:13 PM 965 Views
Dang, Cyndane isn't using Cabriana's body. Gher - 10/06/2010 08:25:20 PM 808 Views
But they didn't look alike anyway. *NM* Etzel - 10/06/2010 08:59:35 PM 556 Views
Eh, yeah. Gher - 12/06/2010 08:24:10 PM 758 Views
The blue flash RAFO irritates me- I can't see how that will be relevant. The Min thing was new beetnemesis - 10/06/2010 08:50:52 PM 945 Views
RJ already RAFOed the incident with Thom's knives/daggers before Etzel - 10/06/2010 08:57:52 PM 1022 Views
They RAFO way too much. Tom - 11/06/2010 12:25:56 AM 747 Views
It isn't, unless she's implying the Creator helped him out or some other such thing RugbyPlayingAshaman - 11/06/2010 12:56:49 AM 776 Views
Just to make things clear on the strength thing... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:08:02 PM 1055 Views
It is possible Maria was answering the first question and ignoring the second... Logain - 10/06/2010 09:29:59 PM 783 Views
That still proves my point... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 09:33:10 PM 959 Views
Re: That still proves my point... Sidious - 10/06/2010 09:45:39 PM 809 Views
Then why... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:00:00 PM 902 Views
Re: Then why... Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:07:56 PM 772 Views
God, what stupidity! fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:10:32 PM 768 Views
Re: God, what stupidity! Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:16:38 PM 876 Views
It doesn't have to be 1-100. fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 10:32:17 PM 830 Views
Re: It doesn't have to be 1-100. Sidious - 10/06/2010 10:41:02 PM 1095 Views
That's a mathematical impossibility... fionwe1987 - 10/06/2010 11:26:23 PM 919 Views
Just popping in. I think you're arguing over non-existent delineations. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 11/06/2010 12:44:40 AM 859 Views
You're pretty much agreeing with me, you know? fionwe1987 - 11/06/2010 12:32:44 PM 825 Views
Yes. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/06/2010 10:31:00 PM 945 Views
Re: Just to make things clear on the strength thing... Bored - 14/06/2010 11:21:31 PM 1156 Views
Huh? fionwe1987 - 14/06/2010 11:48:43 PM 749 Views
Also interesting... Etzel - 10/06/2010 09:38:27 PM 894 Views
I'm even more confused (parallel worlds and the Pattern) entyti - 10/06/2010 09:48:17 PM 866 Views
Nah,... DomA - 11/06/2010 11:38:20 AM 867 Views
Fascinating! entyti - 13/06/2010 02:30:42 AM 883 Views
You know, these things always end up pissing me off. Tom - 11/06/2010 12:25:05 AM 846 Views
I think she's saving that info for her WoT Encyclopedia. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 11/06/2010 12:54:38 AM 896 Views
Re: You know, these things always end up pissing me off. TaskmasterJack - 11/06/2010 03:22:53 AM 963 Views
Re: You know, these things always end up pissing me off. DomA - 11/06/2010 12:29:37 PM 890 Views
I agree Etzel - 11/06/2010 01:14:36 PM 1007 Views
Re: I agree TaskmasterJack - 12/06/2010 03:02:32 PM 788 Views
BS didn't answer with "Read and find out" Etzel - 12/06/2010 03:28:05 PM 817 Views
We were speaking about Maria giving a RAFO on the topic, not Sanderson. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 13/06/2010 12:05:17 AM 483 Views
Actually she said "No"... *NM* Etzel - 13/06/2010 01:06:18 AM 574 Views
I'll rephrase then. It was about Maria saying that she considered giving a RAFO on the question. TaskmasterJack - 13/06/2010 01:44:19 AM 819 Views
Yeah, sorry for the rolly-eyed smiley! Was a bit mean... Etzel - 13/06/2010 09:19:13 AM 840 Views
I agree with Jack and Sidious and not with you. Tom - 11/06/2010 03:20:30 PM 913 Views
Well, on the Thom question... Etzel - 11/06/2010 08:25:09 AM 814 Views
Yeah Sidious - 11/06/2010 08:26:33 AM 911 Views
Re: Yeah darius_sedai - 15/06/2010 12:25:21 AM 766 Views
Eh, practically useless. callandor1000 - 14/06/2010 11:50:06 PM 792 Views
I agree. I think she is saving the good stuff for the encyclopedia. *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/06/2010 04:17:07 PM 454 Views
Yeah. I do think she's taking advantage of these poor saps, though. callandor1000 - 17/06/2010 03:52:33 PM 1359 Views
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