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As I explained you several times, I can see why RJ thought it is obvious, yes... Etzel Send a noteboard - 07/06/2010 02:17:01 PM
Graendal was never supposed to be in Caemlyn. The original plan was apparently to lure Rand to Sammael in Illian, where the other Forsaken would wait to take Rand. But this plan failed, because Rand attacked Rahvin instead.
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An analysis of Asmodean's last seconds Etzel - 27/05/2010 12:12:50 PM 2515 Views
I hate to say it, as I love this mystery.... GateKeeper - 27/05/2010 03:01:08 PM 1254 Views
Surely, there can never be enough Asmo threads! *NM* Etzel - 27/05/2010 04:18:06 PM 694 Views
I have a theory on the killer that doesn't involve Slayer... FanEditor10 - 28/05/2010 03:41:23 AM 1064 Views
It's not really obvious... Etzel - 28/05/2010 09:08:27 AM 994 Views
In addition to Etzel's comments newyorkersedai - 28/05/2010 09:08:45 PM 907 Views
I'm pretty sure the Myrdraal that killed Caradin's family was a Proto-version of SH *NM* darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 09:56:58 PM 625 Views
Smacking & ordering Carridin, yes - but no evidence it killed his kin *NM* newyorkersedai - 29/05/2010 04:40:15 PM 578 Views
Re: Smacking & ordering Carridin, yes - but no evidence it killed his kin darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 09:16:01 PM 1052 Views
Far-fetched, IMO DomA - 27/05/2010 04:01:05 PM 1364 Views
very well said *NM* darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 04:19:10 PM 713 Views
I don't want Slayer to be the killer Etzel - 27/05/2010 04:33:06 PM 1045 Views
The way you twist things, it certainly seems so! fionwe1987 - 27/05/2010 05:07:22 PM 1134 Views
Bah, hogwash! Etzel - 27/05/2010 05:17:37 PM 1010 Views
Re: Bah, hogwash! DomA - 27/05/2010 08:14:16 PM 1078 Views
The point is... Etzel - 28/05/2010 08:38:49 AM 1074 Views
Yes, but Fain is a far cry from your average non-channeler darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:01:44 PM 1127 Views
As is Slayer Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:25:07 PM 1000 Views
There is no evidence of this at all darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:32:37 PM 981 Views
Yeah, the evil guys don't manage to harm the good guys Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:38:57 PM 945 Views
so far we've seen Slayer kill a sleeping guy and his wife darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:45:14 PM 959 Views
I disagree. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:50:02 PM 1080 Views
You always twist the quotes to make them say what Jordan didn't intend to say.... DomA - 28/05/2010 02:20:09 PM 1034 Views
I think this is your interpretation Etzel - 28/05/2010 02:50:14 PM 986 Views
Yeah right... fionwe1987 - 27/05/2010 08:35:35 PM 1101 Views
See my replies above. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 08:40:42 AM 884 Views
Re: Bah, hogwash! Sidious - 28/05/2010 08:28:16 AM 855 Views
See my repy to DomA. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 08:39:15 AM 846 Views
None of this explains how Slayer had opportunity that others didn't darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 05:12:48 PM 1170 Views
We often see... Etzel - 27/05/2010 05:33:19 PM 1040 Views
I just keep coming back to Slayer needs wild explanations while Graendal is more obvious darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 05:52:13 PM 1128 Views
Ok, as we said in the other thread, let's RAFO! *NM* Etzel - 27/05/2010 05:57:49 PM 1132 Views
Agreed *NM* darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 06:03:51 PM 636 Views
Indeed Sidious - 28/05/2010 08:39:14 AM 976 Views
Well... Etzel - 28/05/2010 10:19:46 AM 1029 Views
Re: Well... darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:20:15 PM 1033 Views
I adressed the points regarding the Fain-comparsion above Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:35:08 PM 978 Views
your Slayer theory is ridiculously complex! darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:37:08 PM 1017 Views
It just requires to combine some clues from the first 5 books & some common sense Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:44:10 PM 970 Views
common sense? darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:51:25 PM 986 Views
See my posts above. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 02:50:56 PM 1007 Views
Re: Well... Sidious - 28/05/2010 02:27:40 PM 1145 Views
No... Etzel - 28/05/2010 03:04:41 PM 1065 Views
let's try this another way darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 03:14:07 PM 1056 Views
The main problem with Graendal is... Etzel - 28/05/2010 05:31:09 PM 982 Views
Graendal has a pretty significant role in TFoH darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 06:54:39 PM 1013 Views
Re: The main problem with Graendal is... DomA - 28/05/2010 09:20:27 PM 1119 Views
my first thought was it was Sammael or Graendal. Come LoC it was clear to me that it was Graendal. darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 09:44:38 PM 1151 Views
RJ used the expression... Etzel - 29/05/2010 08:17:08 AM 958 Views
be careful ... your stretching far enough you might hurt yourself darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 01:12:29 PM 1068 Views
Re: No... Sidious - 28/05/2010 03:38:49 PM 939 Views
Re: I don't want Slayer to be the killer DomA - 27/05/2010 07:47:40 PM 998 Views
Couple of questions scalius - 27/05/2010 09:53:05 PM 1024 Views
Be'lal managed to get out NO! darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 10:08:33 PM 890 Views
Hmmm scalius - 27/05/2010 10:27:55 PM 1007 Views
Re: Hmmm RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 10:34:30 PM 906 Views
I don't think you can actually cut BF weaves darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 10:45:34 PM 911 Views
Hmmm I wonder about that. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 10:58:46 PM 991 Views
I think it would be impossible for someone to react that quickly darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 11:13:01 PM 1072 Views
We've seen it done. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/05/2010 06:32:08 PM 929 Views
Not the same thing darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 07:00:13 PM 907 Views
Re: Couple of questions DomA - 28/05/2010 03:29:29 PM 1071 Views
As said... Etzel - 28/05/2010 08:36:28 AM 1009 Views
Of course you do. Trying to deny it is just silly. Everyone knows your bias. *NM* Tom - 27/05/2010 08:43:18 PM 531 Views
No, seriously, if actually Graendal did it, it's ok to me, too Etzel - 27/05/2010 09:08:48 PM 1030 Views
Re: No, seriously, if actually Graendal did it, it's ok to me, too Sidious - 28/05/2010 08:25:46 AM 1003 Views
But look... Etzel - 28/05/2010 09:01:12 AM 1038 Views
if there are clues in TFoH I find it hard to believe that Slayer is involved darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:29:40 PM 944 Views
The scene of Asmo's murder contains clues, of course Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:32:13 PM 993 Views
Re: The scene of Asmo's murder contains clues, of course darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:35:22 PM 1007 Views
RJ said the main clues are in the books before LoC. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:40:23 PM 1065 Views
Re: RJ said the main clues are in the books before LoC. *NM* darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:52:30 PM 921 Views
Yeah, I know. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 02:51:32 PM 987 Views
Yet Slayer is no where to be seen between his vanishing after TSR and the start of WH darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 03:09:44 PM 1006 Views
??? Sidious - 28/05/2010 02:19:17 PM 975 Views
Of course RJ implied that. You should read his quotes about Asmo! *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 02:52:32 PM 991 Views
Here is what RJ said EDIT darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 03:29:19 PM 779 Views
Indeed Etzel - 28/05/2010 05:18:35 PM 940 Views
Re: Indeed darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 05:26:38 PM 892 Views
But he was already introduced to us before the murder, and that is all that matters. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 05:33:02 PM 946 Views
Re: But he was already introduced to us before the murder, and that is all that matters. *NM* darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 07:05:27 PM 903 Views
LOL!! Sidious - 28/05/2010 03:29:35 PM 739 Views
Too much? Etzel - 28/05/2010 05:16:44 PM 1004 Views
Re: Far-fetched, IMO saidarisnowtainted - 02/06/2010 07:34:58 PM 1110 Views
Sent by whom? And how on earth would he be expected to interrupt a Forsaken plot? *NM* darius_sedai - 02/06/2010 11:13:04 PM 650 Views
Re: Sent by whom? And how on earth would he be expected to interrupt a Forsaken plot? saidarisnowtainted - 19/06/2010 12:59:54 AM 812 Views
Slayer takes orders from the Forsaken darius_sedai - 19/06/2010 03:30:37 AM 1021 Views
Re: Slayer takes orders from the Forsaken saidarisnowtainted - 24/06/2010 09:03:18 AM 1217 Views
The orders to not kill Rand didn't happen until the next book darius_sedai - 26/06/2010 02:32:26 PM 720 Views
Re: The orders to not kill Rand didn't happen until the next book saidarisnowtainted - 01/07/2010 10:13:53 PM 1161 Views
Re: An analysis of Asmodean's last seconds RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 06:19:18 PM 945 Views
Re: An analysis of Asmodean's last seconds DomA - 27/05/2010 09:16:21 PM 959 Views
Lanfear killed Asmo..... trzaska2000 - 28/05/2010 05:05:55 AM 919 Views
Doesn't make sense Etzel - 28/05/2010 11:09:14 AM 952 Views
Sorry, Lanfear did it..... trzaska2000 - 29/05/2010 03:47:44 AM 893 Views
Considering that RJ didn't even necessarily want to reveal it, it was pretty random, yeah. *NM* Etzel - 29/05/2010 08:25:54 AM 595 Views
Death is Moridin "when death took him"; need I say more *NM* Knightscape - 28/05/2010 10:07:14 AM 647 Views
There is a quote that refutes this... Etzel - 28/05/2010 10:22:12 AM 1005 Views
He could have recognized Moridan.....due to the True Power in his eyes. trzaska2000 - 29/05/2010 03:49:49 AM 943 Views
No other Forsaken immediately recognizes Moridin as Ishy because of the saa. *NM* Etzel - 29/05/2010 08:26:44 AM 600 Views
RJ failed, Etzel's analysis is sharp, and I'm gonna abandon the Asmo question forever newyorkersedai - 28/05/2010 08:55:01 PM 1025 Views
Re: RJ failed, Etzel's analysis is sharp, and I'm gonna abandon the Asmo question forever *NM* newyorkersedai - 28/05/2010 09:24:41 PM 693 Views
I think I found an RJ quote that kills the Slayer theory darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 01:57:20 PM 914 Views
If Slayer is actually the killer... Etzel - 29/05/2010 02:20:32 PM 978 Views
Please, RJ would do as he always had and immediately RAFOd a question like that darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 02:26:10 PM 938 Views
Well, I don't think so. Etzel - 29/05/2010 02:43:28 PM 953 Views
yet he never gave an answer like this one darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 02:57:35 PM 1036 Views
Again... Etzel - 29/05/2010 03:09:06 PM 1038 Views
Taking things NO darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 03:12:24 PM 1008 Views
RJ pretty much said it wasn't Slayer. FanEditor10 - 06/06/2010 05:44:05 AM 841 Views
If Slayer never met Asmo in the books he could not have killed him darius_sedai - 06/06/2010 12:46:40 PM 843 Views
But Slayer could have met Asmo, when he was killed.. *NM* Etzel - 06/06/2010 01:06:01 PM 885 Views
Directly contradicts what RJ said "they did not meet in the books" darius_sedai - 06/06/2010 02:51:50 PM 854 Views
Not "before" the murder. *NM* Etzel - 06/06/2010 06:03:34 PM 926 Views
Re: Not "before" the murder. *NM* darius_sedai - 06/06/2010 10:25:16 PM 839 Views
He answers the question, if they met "before" the murder. *NM* Etzel - 07/06/2010 07:18:50 AM 643 Views
not if it didn't happen in the books darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 12:08:34 PM 777 Views
I'm relieved then... Etzel - 07/06/2010 12:13:58 PM 795 Views
it's nearly as simplistic as knowing Graendal did it darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 12:48:42 PM 937 Views
Compilation of the clues I could find on Slayer and Graendal darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 04:26:58 PM 1018 Views
I think Asmo's killer was as surprised as he. TaskmasterJack - 29/05/2010 09:26:03 PM 961 Views
That's what I've always thought as well. Seriana Sedai - 29/05/2010 10:06:56 PM 876 Views
That's always been my theory too Sidious - 29/05/2010 10:18:30 PM 990 Views
*nods* darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 11:23:18 PM 1007 Views
Re: That's always been my theory too Seriana Sedai - 30/05/2010 07:35:50 AM 932 Views
You know, there's no direct proof suggesting that Asmo's killer was "surprised"..... trzaska2000 - 01/06/2010 04:04:56 AM 891 Views
That's why I said "I think" and offered my opinion. TaskmasterJack - 01/06/2010 09:46:09 PM 904 Views
except the Author said it was a murder of opportunity darius_sedai - 01/06/2010 11:13:14 PM 918 Views
That is simply false. Etzel - 02/06/2010 10:00:27 AM 957 Views
RJ stated it was a murder of opportunity ... I never said "only" darius_sedai - 02/06/2010 11:49:23 AM 1025 Views
Of course, it is false Etzel - 02/06/2010 12:13:11 PM 944 Views
Here are the quotes darius_sedai - 02/06/2010 12:39:29 PM 882 Views
As said, those quotes simply don't support that the murder was basically just an unplanned accident. *NM* Etzel - 02/06/2010 02:14:29 PM 647 Views
I disagree. It's pretty much black and white that the opportunity/timing is the key factor to darius_sedai - 02/06/2010 02:39:03 PM 805 Views
Actually I like it because it fits Slayer better than Graendal, as pointed out. *NM* Etzel - 02/06/2010 02:51:24 PM 487 Views
that makes no sense at all *NM* darius_sedai - 02/06/2010 02:53:28 PM 698 Views
RJ pretty much said it wasn't Slayer. FanEditor10 - 06/06/2010 05:47:13 AM 979 Views
Well... Etzel - 06/06/2010 10:46:13 AM 969 Views
Logic darius_sedai - 06/06/2010 02:53:27 PM 917 Views
You're falling into Etzelian logic there... DomA - 06/06/2010 03:25:30 PM 922 Views
I'm just being a smartass *NM* darius_sedai - 06/06/2010 03:36:00 PM 662 Views
It's good that Etzel sticks to his guns Sidious - 06/06/2010 04:42:01 PM 1032 Views
OMG, Taim and Mesaana were getting it on in the pantry darius_sedai - 06/06/2010 09:49:57 PM 892 Views
That reminds me... Fanatic-Templar - 19/06/2010 04:46:58 AM 915 Views
That's not anyone's logic, this argument is simply utter nonsense. *NM* Etzel - 07/06/2010 12:08:05 PM 957 Views
just like thinking Slayer was the killer is darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 12:09:34 PM 901 Views
Yeah... Etzel - 07/06/2010 12:21:31 PM 969 Views
thinking the top assassin killed someone when it's been stated over and over darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 12:56:48 PM 957 Views
Those quotes pretty much show that Graendal is careful... *NM* Etzel - 07/06/2010 01:03:26 PM 884 Views
No they show that she is deliberate! darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 01:12:29 PM 983 Views
That are just semantics Etzel - 07/06/2010 01:36:12 PM 1052 Views
and you think it's obvious that Slayer was the premier Shadow assassin prior to WH? darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 02:06:47 PM 938 Views
As I explained you several times, I can see why RJ thought it is obvious, yes... Etzel - 07/06/2010 02:17:01 PM 908 Views
Why wouldn't Graendal head to Caemlyn at that point? darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 02:36:24 PM 992 Views
And where was she then, when Rand attacked Rahvin? Etzel - 07/06/2010 02:54:33 PM 1028 Views
Re: And where was she then, when Rand attacked Rahvin? darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 03:01:14 PM 993 Views
You should re-read the scene where Moghedien tells Nynaeve about it... Etzel - 07/06/2010 03:12:55 PM 960 Views
That's a different thing than Moghedien saying the plan was canceled darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 03:15:32 PM 1056 Views
That is essentially what Moghedien said. Etzel - 07/06/2010 03:33:35 PM 830 Views
um no it's not darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 04:17:04 PM 908 Views
It's told after that... Etzel - 07/06/2010 04:46:31 PM 878 Views
No it doesn't. It tells us that Rahvin, just like all the others had a side plan in place darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 04:55:43 PM 1060 Views
Yeah... Etzel - 07/06/2010 05:17:59 PM 958 Views
Funny I feel the same way you do ... darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 05:25:48 PM 948 Views
Ah, whatever... Etzel - 07/06/2010 05:35:22 PM 849 Views
We are on the exact same page darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 05:42:48 PM 929 Views
Re: We are on the exact same page Sidious - 07/06/2010 05:52:37 PM 1005 Views
LMAO darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 06:07:16 PM 1380 Views
I promised Etzel long ago... Fanatic-Templar - 19/06/2010 04:49:11 AM 926 Views
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