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Sure it does darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 07/06/2010 12:29:18 PM
shields don't have any impact on sensing someone's ability.


By "shields" I'm referring to those shields that aren't shields that Shaidar Haran uses to completely block the Chosen's ability. It doesn't feel like shielding, it's like the Source and your ability are completely gone.

Shaidar Haran specifies they've not been severed, so it sounds like Osan'gar couldn't feel Aran'gar's ability either.

Reread the introduction scene of Aran'gar and Osan'gar with Shaidar Haran.

My theory is that what I call "TP shields" for convenience's sake is what is responsible for Cyndane's largely symbolic reduction in strength. I don't see what else than the DO could have reduced her strength by a fairly insignificant percentage (perhaps significant in terms of raw quantity of saidar she can handle, but it's still a small percentage of Lanfear's strength that got lost) like that. Lanfear did what she did because of her obsession for strength, and like Moghedien she would have been thorougly questionned, and couldn't keep much at all back (even Moridin says so, and implies Lanfear used to keep secrets but Cyndane can't). It's a very fitting punishment and a warning, to show her even her strength and her ability to channel the OP at all she keeps because the DO chooses to let his Chosen use the OP instead of forcing them all to give it up for the True Power. The fact the reduction in strength is noticeable but not significant enough to hinder her service to the DO is another clue this may be Shai'tan's doing. So is the fact Cyndane is the only transmigrated Forsaken who isn't allowed to admit who she once was (the others never use their old names, but freely refer to their past. Cyndane doesn't, except in fury and when she does Moridin touches her mindtrap...), not to even think of herself as Lanfear in her POV. That's the other thing she was too proud about: her body and look, her reputation, her name. Unlike all the others, she had chosen her Forsaken name herself and made it flattering, and she very much cherished that - now she's not even allowed to let the others know she was Lanfear. She's been turned into a nobody, the only Chosen the others aren't sure is even from the AOL! This was also the appearance she had used to try to seduce Rand. Combined with the very humiliating name "Last Chance", this all seems to form a whole, and points to a desire from the DO to teach her a lesson, and he did by punishing her where she had sinned. Her love for LTT, her obsession with strength - it's how she ended up betraying Shai'tan.



Men can't feel the ability in others unless they are holding the power.


What told you Aran'gar wasn't? Osan'gar grabbed the power by reflex the instant Shaidar Haran appeared. Why wouldn't Aran'gar?

Both their abilities were gone, that's why they wouldn't have sensed anything anyway.

That's totally beside the point and brings strictly nothing to the debate anyway.


You've built this whole theory around an "if" that relates to a shield channelers cannot sense. I pointed out that to the men it would have made no difference since they cannot feel the ability in each other anyway. Assuming Aran'gar was holding the power and then was shielded is all dandy, but why would Osan'gar not have thought about it if that was the case? Aran'gar physically attacked SH and never once does Osan'gar think about getting out of the way should Aran'gar start hurling balefire. Far more likely that Aran'gar went for the physical attack when she reached for saidin and could not, thus Osan'gar would never have felt a thing in that regard.
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